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Signing in/out
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Bishbashbbosh
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Signing in/out
No one in our office signs out (most sign in) but the DOM has started saying he will stop people's pay if they don't sign out? Is this allowed? If not, what can the DOM actually do about us not signing out? It's just a habit that's hard to break!
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Signing in/out
I don't know if he can stop peoples pay but it is a legal requirement for the managers to know who is in the building/site and who is not. It is a reasonable request so I suppose he can discipline people.
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Signing in/out
Worth pointing out if leaving early due to taking part of break at end of shift there is no requirement to stay in the office solely for the purpose of signing out, can sign out at start of break
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Surreypostie
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Re: Signing in/out
I agree with TBT, it is a legal requirement. Imagine if there were a fire at your office, the local brigade turn up. First thing they ask, is everybody out. Your DOM won't have a clue and firefighters lives would be put at risk going in looking for people who are not there. Just sign in and out, why make trouble for yourselves.
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postslippete
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Re: Signing in/out
Signing in/out is health & safety
Sometimes staff forget although if it happens daily in spite of verbal warnings then a manager could take conduct action
Sometimes staff forget although if it happens daily in spite of verbal warnings then a manager could take conduct action
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hans solo
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Re: Signing in/out
THEN LETS BRING IN TIME CARDS THEN 
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Spedley
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Re: Signing in/out
Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Signing in/out
There is no legal requirement for signing in and out of work.Spedley wrote:Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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aiden01
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Re: Signing in/out
so can you refuse to start your duty if the signing on sheet is not therezx135 wrote:There is no legal requirement for signing in and out of work.Spedley wrote:Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Signing in/out
you could refuse if you want buy you probably end up being conductedd for refusing to do your jobaiden01 wrote:so can you refuse to start your duty if the signing on sheet is not therezx135 wrote:There is no legal requirement for signing in and out of work.Spedley wrote:Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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aiden01
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Re: Signing in/out
so then if unfortunately something serious happened in your place of work and you haven't signed on how does your manager explain if you are found in building by police firemen or whoeverzx135 wrote:you could refuse if you want buy you probably end up being couched for refusing to do your jobaiden01 wrote:so can you refuse to start your duty if the signing on sheet is not therezx135 wrote:There is no legal requirement for signing in and out of work.Spedley wrote:Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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Acca Dacca
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Re: Signing in/out
Think the OP is more getting at the fact that some people finish near their houses/a bus stop and get dropped off by their loop partner and are being made to return to the office - rather than just signing the sheet.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Signing in/out
Thats upto him to explain but doesn't change the fact there is no legal requirement to sign in or outaiden01 wrote:so then if unfortunately something serious happened in your place of work and you haven't signed on how does your manager explain if you are found in building by police firemen or whoeverzx135 wrote:you could refuse if you want buy you probably end up being couched for refusing to do your jobaiden01 wrote:so can you refuse to start your duty if the signing on sheet is not therezx135 wrote:There is no legal requirement for signing in and out of work.Spedley wrote:Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.
Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.
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Acca Dacca
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Re: Signing in/out
In regards to the fire point;
What happens if a fire started at 2 o clock and half the workforce are still out delivering and half have been back but are still in the building and not signed out yet or are taking their break? Half wouldn't have signed out because they are out on the street and the other half wouldn't have signed out because they haven't finished yet. How would they know who is in the building and who isn't?
They also can ask you to sign out when you depart the building in the morning. Surely if you left the building in the morning and signed that you had left at say 10 o clock then they would be covered.
What happens if a fire started at 2 o clock and half the workforce are still out delivering and half have been back but are still in the building and not signed out yet or are taking their break? Half wouldn't have signed out because they are out on the street and the other half wouldn't have signed out because they haven't finished yet. How would they know who is in the building and who isn't?
They also can ask you to sign out when you depart the building in the morning. Surely if you left the building in the morning and signed that you had left at say 10 o clock then they would be covered.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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aiden01
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Re: Signing in/out
never said there was a legal requirement was just wanting to know if you can refuse to start duty without signing on