Full time hours

[Mightyaj]

Going back about 3 years ago I asked whether we were supposed to be on a 39hr week from 40hr now as it said something in the agreement about it.

The reply I had from someone who seemed to know a lot about it 3 years ago was -

"It will be introduced with the walk sequenced mail revision. As walk sequenced mail is being phased in across the country there could be up to a 2.5 year gap between the first offices getting it and the last"

Basically our office now has had the walk sequenced revision so should we now be on a 39hr week? and is anyone on here on 39 hr weeks? Any info would be great!

Thanks John

[olilew]

Been on 39 hours for over a year now.

[fishtank]

Everybody should have gone to a 39 hr week about 2? years ago regardless of Walk Sequenced Mail.
I'll try to dig out the LTB....
Bear with me your call is important to us..

[Mightyaj]

Do you know if that's the norm pretty much everywhere? Thanks

[Dorset Plodder]

Yep we're on 39 hours. Bit of a bugger when your trying to work out your overtime...as each day is now only 7 hours 48 mins, (I think) but you're paid for 40 hours, see what I mean about the Mental Arithmetic!

[fishtank]

Thank you for holding....

Pace of Change / Shorter Working Week –
A National Joint Statement between Royal Mail and CWU

Royal Mail and the CWU have previously agreed that the one hour reduction in the standard working week will be introduced no later than the w/c 28th January 2013 in all functions, for all eligible full time employees remaining on a 40 hour week at that point. Where this happens in advance of the appropriate planned revision, the reduction in hours will be allocated in time from that date. A Nationally agreed range of options for implementing this will be issued in due course. Similarly the shorter working week will be introduced for part time employees no later than the w/c 28th January 2013 by applying an hourly rate increase in the usual way.

To meet the requirements above it is agreed that from the 28th January 2013 the divisor used to determine the hourly rate for all PT employees will be 39. This will in effect mean that all PT employees will receive an increase in basic pay. The amount will vary depending on the number of hours worked.

In order to capture the 1 hour due to all full time employees as detailed above DOMs and local CWU representatives should positively engage in local negotiations to identify and agree an adjustment to attendance times that delivers a 39 hour week. The joint aim will be to conclude these negotiations as quickly as possible. The adjustment to attendance times agreed will be recorded in a signed local agreement between the CWU rep and local manager. Copies will be forwarded to the respective HQs.

Where an agreement cannot be reached before the 30th January 2013 the employees in the unit will be provided with the following list of options in no order of preference and all of equal status. The employees will then decide which option will be introduced based on their wishes that delivers a 39 hour week.

Attendance times can be altered so that duties finish 12 minutes earlier each day of the week. This applies to 5 day week duties. Where other duty patterns exist the reduction will need to be adjusted accordingly.

Attendance times can be altered so that duties start 6 minutes later each day of the week and finish 6 minutes earlier each day of the week. This applies to 5 day week duties. Where other duty patterns exist the alteration will need to be adjusted accordingly.

Attendance times can be altered so that duties start 12 minutes later each day of the week. This applies to 5 day week duties. Where other duty patterns exist the reduction will need to be adjusted accordingly.

A Locally agreed temporary arrangement that delivers a 39 hour week for the Unit.
The option agreed will be recorded in a signed local agreement between the CWU rep and local manager. Copies will be forwarded to the respective HQ’s. Where the unit chooses option D this will move into a fast track disagreement process to be resolved by a CWU Divisional rep and the Delivery Director. Where they cannot resolve the disagreement within 24 hrs this will be moved to national level for resolution.

Any disagreement over the interpretation of this agreement will be referred to the signatories below for resolution. In all instances all eligible employees are entitled to move to a 39 hour week from the w/c 28th January 2012. Both parties are encouraged to conclude an agreement that delivers an adjustment to attendances based on a 39 hour week.


Signed………………………………………. Signed……………………………………..
Mike Newby Royal Mail Bob Gibson CWU

[Pinky 1]

So Mightyaj is owed over 100 hours overtime, and counting

[rubberbond]

So Mightyaj is owed over 100 hours overtime, and counting

Or 2 1/2 weeks in lieu. See ya when you get back!

[Mightyaj]

Thanks fishtank! That's brilliant. Now to get on the case!

[Dorset Plodder]

Lets see your DOM Try and wriggle out of that one!

[clashcityrocker]

Lets see your DOM Try and wriggle out of that one!

I work with people who still don't realise we moved to a 39 hour week and that our finishing times moved back 12 minutes a day.

[ted_e_bear]

Lets see your DOM Try and wriggle out of that one!

I work with people who still don't realise we moved to a 39 hour week and that our finishing times moved back 12 minutes a day.

I work with people who still don't realise if you start an hour early you do it for free ! Or perhaps they just don't mind I don't really know.

[Dorset Plodder]

I work with people who still don't realise if you start an hour early you do it for free ! Or perhaps they just don't mind I don't really know.

I've heard the arguments before Ted. IMO It's not a major problem if it suits you, and you get paid for all hours worked! i.e: a) If you come in 30 mins early and go home 30 mins early = same thing no problem b) If you come in early and work through your Meal Break but get paid the 40 mins = no problem

It's when you come in an hour early finish on time and the DOM says, "That's your proper finishing time, you'll get no overtime" and obviously the same with Meal Breaks. I think some managers really do everything by the book and that means Posties also have to follow suite.