What are the arguments against clocking in cards?

[datasaint]

Why haven't RM introduced a system whereby you use your ID card to clock in and out. There's this big emphasis on carrying your ID card with you at all times, and with signing in/out the office for H&S purposes. It seems like the obvious solution.

Obviously I'm missing something?

[on_the_way_OUT]

Why haven't RM introduced a system whereby you use your ID card to clock in and out.

Obviously I'm missing something?

Yes.....

The Union have always been able to muscle there way into getting the idea dropped as clocking out an hour early on Monday and Tuesday doesn't look good when your claiming an hours extended on Thursday and Friday.

Its the same with monthly pay!

[tansorboy]

I totally agree. No more signing that crazy sheet twice a day, and it would stop the flyers adding another hour and a half to their finish times when the DOM is not there to see them leave the office at 12.30.

[gary1975]

It would stop early starters , runners ,and people would finish on time or hand back , no lapsing ,so basically it won't happen , but it would be the best thing to happen, as the job would be done properly more hours needed in offices which means more jobs and better contracts.

[Newbie001]

The fact that most of the day for most posties is actually spent outdoors would mean that clock-in cards would not really be manageable health + safety wise. Maybe if LMs and DOMs actually do what they are paid to do MANAGE IE making sure all time sheets are filled out correctly and accurately, making sure the job is done correctly then we wouldn't really have an issue. Just a thought. Maybe they should have "WPC's" for management.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Why haven't RM introduced a system whereby you use your ID card to clock in and out. There's this big emphasis on carrying your ID card with you at all times, and with signing in/out the office for H&S purposes. It seems like the obvious solution.

Obviously I'm missing something?

simple answer is it would cost RM money if they implemented this, think about it this way all those thousands of hours being worked for free, why on earth would RM want to start paying for them if they dont have to. not saying its right but thats the reality of the situation

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Royal Mail don't want it as its less easy to disprove that someone worked over their hours, and makes it more difficult to refuse to pay dockett.

It would stop early starters , runners ,and people would finish on time or hand back , no lapsing ,so basically it won't happen , but it would be the best thing to happen, as the job would be done properly more hours needed in offices which means more jobs and better contracts.

It wouldn't stop runners, or early starters it would just make life more awkward for them. Whilst I think clocking in and out would be an overall benefit, its not the miracle cure everyone thinks it is. No system is perfect and people will always find a way to circumvent it.

The runners will continue to run, then they'll either get some naive colleague to clock back in for them (electronically or physically)

The early starters will still start early, they just won' t clock in till its time. Or if they do managers will ignore the effect of them starting early.

The ones on easy duties who don't want to lapse will walk slower. The ones on hard duties will carry on much as they are now.

Lapsing won't stop when if clocking in comes in, as they don't base it on when you come in, they base it on traffic levels.

Most of all RM won't bring it in because its not efficient - imagine a physical or even electronic clocking in and out system. Unless people have individually staggered start and finish times you will have a high numbers of people at a single point all attempting to clock in or out. Rm then would either have to account for this in their planning/procedures, (unlikely), or manage a situation of a multitude of different contracts and different start times.

We all know how some local managers cope with a fairly easy system of if you are on X hours you start at Y time. imagine if everyone on X hours started at various times within a 2 hour window. Managers be

[Darren Bent]

and postal workers will not like to change their habits for the system. ie come in 30 minutes early to make sure finished 30 minutes early to pick up kids from School. I won't mind the system as long we start at 6am instead of 7am.

[dvbuk55]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

[on_the_way_OUT]

The ones on easy duties who don't want to lapse will walk slower.

NEVER.... I'd be found sat in a cafe with a brew and a paper ;)

On the whole I agree with what you've said.

[on_the_way_OUT]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

From a managers perspective that would mean less delivery time!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

Maybe more likely, but certainly not "ensure"

[dvbuk55]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

From a managers perspective that would mean less delivery time!

Everyone should return to the office NOW, park and loop return the van, HCT return the trolley everyone returns their PDA and all this should have been built into the delivery and would make no difference to delivery time.

[dvbuk55]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

Maybe more likely, but certainly not "ensure"

Really? That is where management comes into the equation TBT who should ensure compliance and action taken if the clocking off procedure isn't followed.

[on_the_way_OUT]

It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.

From a managers perspective that would mean less delivery time!

Everyone should return to the office NOW, park and loop return the van, HCT return the trolley everyone returns their PDA and all this should have been built into the delivery and would make no difference to delivery time.

In theory yes but from what happens in the office here as long as everything is either delivered or endorsed then the DOM doesn't care. Most walkers have a deal with the driver to do some extra delivery and go home with the driver returning the van, PDA's and 739's. Before you ask the extra is checked for any signed for etc and anything not likely to go through the box.

It happens because it works!