ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE
ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!
Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave - Help
-
Syze
- Posts: 161
- Joined: 16 Jun 2010, 03:15
- Gender: Male
Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave - Help
So we have a new DIM in our place who seems to be a bit of a dick. I have very young twin babies and they're both sick at the moment. It has been a brutal week with very little sleep and after one completely sleepless night I had to call my Line Manager and inform him I couldn't make it into work due to a combination of being exhausted, having an exhausted wife and needing to look after my sick children. My Lino is great and said he would put it down as special leave. I'm back to work after one day off, despite having had little rest. Today my Lino told me the DIM won't authorise special leave OR sick leave. He says to qualify for sick leave I would have to be sick, not my children - does exhaustion count? To qualify for special leave I would need to PROVE that my children were sick. Should I film them squealing at 3AM and show him the video? He's saying the day I took off has to be put down as annual leave or unpaid leave. I'm a bit miffed. Do I have any recourse here?
-
Judgee
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 2262
- Joined: 23 Oct 2007, 15:18
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
Doesn't it come under domestic stress which can be paid or unpaid leave depending on your DOM? 
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
-
Himaggen
- Posts: 993
- Joined: 09 Oct 2007, 23:40
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
You were told that it would be special leave they should not, after you having taken that time, change their mind.
Tell the DOM that you expect the special leave will be honoured, and that if the Under Managers are failing to manage absence according to their liking then that is an issue which should not be to your detriment.
Tell the DOM that you expect the special leave will be honoured, and that if the Under Managers are failing to manage absence according to their liking then that is an issue which should not be to your detriment.
-
edbling
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 33
- Joined: 15 Mar 2011, 09:23
- Gender: Male
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
you are allowed 1 day off for dependent care per year, paid.Syze wrote:So we have a new DIM in our place who seems to be a bit of a dick. I have very young twin babies and they're both sick at the moment. It has been a brutal week with very little sleep and after one completely sleepless night I had to call my Line Manager and inform him I couldn't make it into work due to a combination of being exhausted, having an exhausted wife and needing to look after my sick children. My Lino is great and said he would put it down as special leave. I'm back to work after one day off, despite having had little rest. Today my Lino told me the DIM won't authorise special leave OR sick leave. He says to qualify for sick leave I would have to be sick, not my children - does exhaustion count? To qualify for special leave I would need to PROVE that my children were sick. Should I film them squealing at 3AM and show him the video? He's saying the day I took off has to be put down as annual leave or unpaid leave. I'm a bit miffed. Do I have any recourse here?
-
rehabron
- Posts: 1372
- Joined: 01 Jul 2012, 18:43
- Gender: Male
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
As previously stated you are entitled to special leave paid or unpaid at the discretion of your line manager for URGENT DOMESTIC DISTRESS which was authorised by your lino and then overturned by your DOM.Syze wrote:So we have a new DIM in our place who seems to be a bit of a dick. I have very young twin babies and they're both sick at the moment. It has been a brutal week with very little sleep and after one completely sleepless night I had to call my Line Manager and inform him I couldn't make it into work due to a combination of being exhausted, having an exhausted wife and needing to look after my sick children. My Lino is great and said he would put it down as special leave. I'm back to work after one day off, despite having had little rest. Today my Lino told me the DIM won't authorise special leave OR sick leave. He says to qualify for sick leave I would have to be sick, not my children - does exhaustion count? To qualify for special leave I would need to PROVE that my children were sick. Should I film them squealing at 3AM and show him the video? He's saying the day I took off has to be put down as annual leave or unpaid leave. I'm a bit miffed. Do I have any recourse here?
As you have returned to work within one day considering your domestic situation would expect a reasonable employer to grant this as paid leave.
Is your lino willing to state to your DOM that he authorised the special leave?
You do NOT have to prove to your DOM the reason for special leave being authorised.
Would suggest that you speak to your lino if he is going to support you in his authorising special leave and if so arrange a meeting in the presence of your lino, DOM and union rep.
If still being disputed commence a 2nd stage grievance procedure so that your case can be heard by a higher authority level than your DOM.
-
clashcityrocker
- Posts: 16692
- Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
- Gender: Male
- Location: strummerville
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
Can you provide a link to the agreement that states that?edbling wrote: you are allowed 1 day off for dependent care per year, paid.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
-
clashcityrocker
- Posts: 16692
- Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
- Gender: Male
- Location: strummerville
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
Did he say at any time it would be paid special leave?Syze wrote: My Lino is great and said he would put it down as special leave.
Did you assume that was what he meant?
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
-
silly suffolk
- MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
- Posts: 728
- Joined: 04 Mar 2011, 21:31
- Gender: Male
- Location: deepest suffolk
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
parental leave. up to 4 weeks a year. unpaid. law of the land.
-
IcanthelpthewayIam
- Posts: 4067
- Joined: 26 May 2009, 13:37
- Gender: Male
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
Got to give 21 days notice for parental leavesilly suffolk wrote:parental leave. up to 4 weeks a year. unpaid. law of the land.
-
IcanthelpthewayIam
- Posts: 4067
- Joined: 26 May 2009, 13:37
- Gender: Male
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
clashcityrocker wrote:Can you provide a link to the agreement that states that?edbling wrote: you are allowed 1 day off for dependent care per year, paid.
It's in the special leave guidance information
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... hp?id=2528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
silly suffolk
- MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
- Posts: 728
- Joined: 04 Mar 2011, 21:31
- Gender: Male
- Location: deepest suffolk
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
special leave domestic distress then.zx135 wrote:Got to give 21 days notice for parental leavesilly suffolk wrote:parental leave. up to 4 weeks a year. unpaid. law of the land.
-
Postie45
- Posts: 2160
- Joined: 21 Aug 2012, 23:05
- Gender: Male
Re: Special Leave, Sick Leave, Unpaid Leave, Annual Leave -
if youre kept awake all night, surely you can self cert yourself off sick due to lack of sleep