taking back extended

[tiggle]

we have a constant battle in our office with managers disputing extended thats booked ifyou say you may go over by 20 minutes and then book 30 ,you're in the office,if you finish early on a saturday they scrubb that amount from your weeks extended.you're expected to go into the manager, cap in hand and almost apologise for working past your time.i can't speak for anyone else but i'm happy to work my 39 hours and no more.so next week i'm telling my manager i'm working to my time every day and if on any particular day he wants me to work over my time he'll need to come and see me! this business is very reliant on the goodwill of staff who work till the jobs done and your treated like a lazy money grabber.

[AnotherLimey]

Good on ya, cut off a few times and they will be begging you to do the overtime, also remind them that there is no banking of hours and it is illegal to scrub out your overtime without speaking to you about it.

[hampshireman]

we have a constant battle in our office with managers disputing extended thats booked ifyou say you may go over by 20 minutes and then book 30 ,you're in the office,if you finish early on a saturday they scrubb that amount from your weeks extended.you're expected to go into the manager, cap in hand and almost apologise for working past your time.i can't speak for anyone else but i'm happy to work my 39 hours and no more.so next week i'm telling my manager i'm working to my time every day and if on any particular day he wants me to work over my time he'll need to come and see me! this business is very reliant on the goodwill of staff who work till the jobs done and your treated like a lazy money grabber.

Totally agree withh the post with a minor point.

If you work 20 mins extended ; why book 30?

Other poster is right. No banking hours!!!

[NewPostieUK]

If you work 20 mins extended ; why book 30?

He 'predicted' 20 and actually worked 30, so claimed 30.

We have to do the same, guess how much and write it in the book before we go out, then claim for the actual worked.

[hampshireman]

If you work 20 mins extended ; why book 30?

He 'predicted' 20 and actually worked 30, so claimed 30.

We have to do the same, guess how much and write it in the book before we go out, then claim for the actual worked.

Understand now.

Funnily enough I have predicted 30 mins today... but will adjust it back to 20 when I go in tomorrow. That will shock management!!!

[enzio]

it really simple just work to your time and never work over it works for me.i would rather leave a street than work over now, as you are just not appreciated any more

[Glenno]

Good on ya, cut off a few times and they will be begging you to do the overtime, also remind them that there is no banking of hours and it is illegal to scrub out your overtime without speaking to you about it.

This is one of the best posts, that I remember

[spoodoo]

Is swings and roundabouts legal? What's the position on this anyone?

[DGP1]

Is swings and roundabouts legal? What's the position on this anyone?

Plenty of them in playgrounds, which is where most of our managers seem to be trained.

[keithposty]

Is swings and roundabouts legal? What's the position on this anyone?

please define swings and roundabouts for clarification

[fishtank]

Is swings and roundabouts legal? What's the position on this anyone?

If what you are talking about is Variation of hours the position is this...

First of all there is no national agreement between Royal Mail and the CWU to bank hours and there should be no local agreement either as it is outside the national model framework for P&M2007.
Flexibility should never be applied in reverse,you flex up if necessary and agreed...and then you recover the time.
It is designed to be used to deal with unforseen resourcing issues not as a resourcing tool in itself.The 30 minutes variation in duty should only be required in exceptional circumstances, such as when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high, resourcing issues arise, or there are network failures, severe weather etc.

Enabler - Variation of hours - Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.

Considerations and Suggested Activities
Establish a fair and robust process to consider how unforeseen increases in the normal workload are going to be covered. This process should also include how a manager or an employee should request a variation of hours should this be necessary and how reciprocal recovery of the time will take place within the individuals working week.

Variation of hours process established and agreed.
CWU Rep and Shift Manager to establish a regular review process to ensure arrangements are fair, robust and no individual is asked/requested to flex too frequently.

[clashcityrocker]

Individuals may be ASKED.
The 30 minute flex is voluntary.