What will be the outcome?

[Eric Cantona]

My cousin in a Lancashire office rang me today very distressed saying he (like a idiot) left the keys in the van and open while delivering a packet in *********, his Manager seen him and when he got back to the office he suspended him. has anyone any idea what would or could happen to him? he has been there 20 years good sick record and good discipline record, any ideas....

[Lateagainpostie]

Tell him to plead stress from problems at home, and it was a momentary lapse ion concentration on an otherwise perfect character, then tell him to report the Lino for leaving the office early on a Saturday.

[north london driver]

why was the manager outside watching his staff
or was he going home early.

[Cedar_Room]

Hmmm,not having a go here Eric but i have family in the town you have mentioned & it's a fairly small place with (i assume) a small office.

Maybe edit your post...prying eye's & all that...

POSTMAN EDIT:Done

[POSTMAN]

Suspended him straight away? No fact finding? No counselling?
Obviously managers differ from area to area,but one of my lot got caught by the IB,van running,door open while delivering a packet,he was reported to management (after the IB had a word with him and took details at source)and as it was his 1st offence he got counselled.

Also if the manager saw him,why didn't he pull him up at the time,why wait,manager could of f****d it up there.
He's let the guy go on and finish his duty while knowing what happened,could be a silver lining.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Tell him to plead stress from problems at home, and it was a momentary lapse ion concentration on an otherwise perfect character, then tell him to report the Lino for leaving the office early on a Saturday.

so your solutions is to tell him to lie about it?

yeah well hope you get caught yourself lying about something and get the sack, its half the problem with this company we got too many people taking the piss, tell the truth he will prob just get a warning, at most suspended dismissal if going by what you said about his record,

as a union we need to take the moral high ground and stay there, its in our best interests, i have absolutely no time for people making up stories to excuses them taking short cuts, yeah if he did have issues at home then i would 110% support the guy but suggesting he make it up is no on in my book

shame on you.

[Eric Cantona]

why was the manager outside watching his staff
or was he going home early.

He was passing by after droppng a posties bag...

[Eric Cantona]

Suspended him straight away? No fact finding? No counselling?
Obviously managers differ from area to area,but one of my lot got caught by the IB,van running,door open while delivering a packet,he was reported to management (after the IB had a word with him and took details at source)and as it was his 1st offence he got counselled.

Also if the manager saw him,why didn't he pull him up at the time,why wait,manager could of f****d it up there.
He's let the guy go on and finish his duty while knowing what happened,could be a silver lining.

The Manager did pull up and told him to return to the office then came the suspension..

[Eric Cantona]

Hmmm,not having a go here Eric but i have family in the town you have mentioned & it's a fairly small place with (i assume) a small office.

Maybe edit your post...prying eye's & all that...

POSTMAN EDIT:Done

It wasn't quite that place but near to it.

[NWpostie]

Was he on his own ? no witnesses, he did the kangaroo disciplinary procedure, if so , he will be ripped apart by the Union and tribunal if need be, Manager do this all the time, they got so bloated with self importance and is omnipotent, knows all the rules etc , that when they trip up and this usually help in all tribunals, they are their own worst enemy.

One colleague of mine was followed home by a Lino and he knocked on his door trying to catch him going home early, to which the Postie said "there is only you and me no witnesses, its your word against mine" and closed the door in face , took the wind out of his sails and it never went further

Something your mate could/should have done, taking the wind out of the Managers sails, pre-empting any action.

[Cheetah]

Tell him to plead stress from problems at home, and it was a momentary lapse ion concentration on an otherwise perfect character, then tell him to report the Lino for leaving the office early on a Saturday.

so your solutions is to tell him to lie about it?

yeah well hope you get caught yourself lying about something and get the sack, its half the problem with this company we got too many people taking the piss, tell the truth he will prob just get a warning, at most suspended dismissal if going by what you said about his record,

as a union we need to take the moral high ground and stay there, its in our best interests, i have absolutely no time for people making up stories to excuses them taking short cuts, yeah if he did have issues at home then i would 110% support the guy but suggesting he make it up is no on in my book

shame on you.

I genuinally admire your integrity and would allways follow your advice except with RM.....
Some thugs stole some equipment off me, I could have made up a story and got away scot free but told the truth, they tried to sack me and made my life a mysery for something trivial:mad
You're not dealing on the whole with fair people here you're dealing with people who get rewarded for sacking loyal honest employees.....
My advice (though I'm ashamed to give it) if he has no witneses, lie through your backteeth, say the van was locked and not running.... Put a grievance in against the manager for lying about you and trying to discipline you by fabricating a story..... Your word against his, come an ET if he doesn't have a witness they will laugh at him.....Good Luck.......

[POSTMAN]

Suspended him straight away? No fact finding? No counselling?
Obviously managers differ from area to area,but one of my lot got caught by the IB,van running,door open while delivering a packet,he was reported to management (after the IB had a word with him and took details at source)and as it was his 1st offence he got counselled.

Also if the manager saw him,why didn't he pull him up at the time,why wait,manager could of f****d it up there.
He's let the guy go on and finish his duty while knowing what happened,could be a silver lining.

The Manager did pull up and told him to return to the office then came the suspension..

What happened to the mail after that,was it delivered by someone else,left till the next day?

[Eric Cantona]

Suspended him straight away? No fact finding? No counselling?
Obviously managers differ from area to area,but one of my lot got caught by the IB,van running,door open while delivering a packet,he was reported to management (after the IB had a word with him and took details at source)and as it was his 1st offence he got counselled.

Also if the manager saw him,why didn't he pull him up at the time,why wait,manager could of f****d it up there.
He's let the guy go on and finish his duty while knowing what happened,could be a silver lining.

The Manager did pull up and told him to return to the office then came the suspension..

What happened to the mail after that,was it delivered by someone else,left till the next day?

Somebody else done his duty, there was two managers think he might struggle now.

[Eric Cantona]

Suspended him straight away? No fact finding? No counselling?
Obviously managers differ from area to area,but one of my lot got caught by the IB,van running,door open while delivering a packet,he was reported to management (after the IB had a word with him and took details at source)and as it was his 1st offence he got counselled.

Also if the manager saw him,why didn't he pull him up at the time,why wait,manager could of f****d it up there.
He's let the guy go on and finish his duty while knowing what happened,could be a silver lining.

The Manager did pull up and told him to return to the office then came the suspension..

What happened to the mail after that,was it delivered by someone else,left till the next day?

Somebody else done his duty, there was two managers think he might struggle now.

He tells me they were dropping a posties bag off and doing checks in the area..

[international]

two managers in one van they must have targeted him for a reason the royal mail cib should have been out checking and they report it to the dom even they dont have the power to suspend.