2010 agreement,,, FATAL FATIGUE..

[pants123]

im seriously suffering from fatigue with this 2010 fiasco agreement,, im so tired when i finish a 4 hour so called delivery, but its more like 5 hour delivery every day, 6 days a week, i think my body is at the point of shutting down..
DOES ANY ONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME OR IS IT JUST ME????
thank you kindly.....

[Hitcher]

6 days a week?

We do a 9 day fortnight (5 days one week and 4 days the next) and I'm less tired using a trolley even though I'm out longer.

[DGP1]

I've been doing a 5 hour delivery for years now but can only do 5 out of 6 days, it's too long to do the 6 days for 5 weeks then a week off (you won't get the recovery time on a rolling day off). You may need to slow down and pace yourself better to be able to cope.

[happy]

we do a 4.15 delivery 5 days a week.i can do it but i use to go to the gym and run for 10 k 3 times a week can not do that at all now. after my round am to tired but then who wants a life after royal mail anyway

[maninred]

im seriously suffering from fatigue with this 2010 fiasco agreement,, im so tired when i finish a 4 hour so called delivery, but its more like 5 hour delivery every day, 6 days a week, i think my body is at the point of shutting down..
DOES ANY ONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME OR IS IT JUST ME????
thank you kindly.....

Are you doing docket on your day off to make it a 6 day week?

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

im seriously suffering from fatigue with this 2010 fiasco agreement,, im so tired when i finish a 4 hour so called delivery, but its more like 5 hour delivery every day, 6 days a week, i think my body is at the point of shutting down..
DOES ANY ONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME OR IS IT JUST ME????
thank you kindly.....

if your delivery is taking you nearly and hour extra each day why dont you just tell them your only working your hours and not going over?

[daveyeff]

I've been doing a 5 hour delivery for years now but can only do 5 out of 6 days, it's too long to do the 6 days for 5 weeks then a week off (you won't get the recovery time on a rolling day off). You may need to slow down and pace yourself better to be able to cope.

6 days for 5 weeks? are you not on p&l, at our stalag we do 6 days for 3 weeks, then a week off. or a 9 day fortnite.

[DGP1]

I've been doing a 5 hour delivery for years now but can only do 5 out of 6 days, it's too long to do the 6 days for 5 weeks then a week off (you won't get the recovery time on a rolling day off). You may need to slow down and pace yourself better to be able to cope.

6 days for 5 weeks? are you not on p&l, at our stalag we do 6 days for 3 weeks, then a week off. or a 9 day fortnite.

How does that work, unless you have really long delivery spans then how are you getting a week off every 4?

And no, our revision was forced in before the agreement so we got nothing, 5 out of 6 for us............and it'll be like that until.......forever

[daveyeff]

I've been doing a 5 hour delivery for years now but can only do 5 out of 6 days, it's too long to do the 6 days for 5 weeks then a week off (you won't get the recovery time on a rolling day off). You may need to slow down and pace yourself better to be able to cope.

6 days for 5 weeks? are you not on p&l, at our stalag we do 6 days for 3 weeks, then a week off. or a 9 day fortnite.

How does that work, unless you have really long delivery spans then how are you getting a week off every 4?

And no, our revision was forced in before the agreement so we got nothing, 5 out of 6 for us............and it'll be like that until.......forever

well the deliveries are,nt as long as yours (5hrs). the duties are 4hrs45min long. its 8hrs50mins a day(full time) which is 53hrs a week, 159 hours over 3 weeks, normally 8 hrs a day would give you 160hrs over 4 weeks, so this is how you get your week off every 3 weeks, not sure how they make up for the 1 discrepancy over the month but thats the way they do the 3 weeks on, one off. i do the 9 day fortnite. which gives you the same amount of time off but under a different format.

[halfull]

im seriously suffering from fatigue with this 2010 fiasco agreement,, im so tired when i finish a 4 hour so called delivery, but its more like 5 hour delivery every day, 6 days a week, i think my body is at the point of shutting down..
DOES ANY ONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME OR IS IT JUST ME????
thank you kindly.....

stop moaning and bring it back on your time! only an idiot works ova on p&l

[eastie]

Dont go over your time cut off.
Dont complete the round and then moan about it.
Dont let them bully you into completing
Plus use your trolley
After 6 months of revision the jobsworths that go over everyday using bags are falling like flies with bad backs, swollen knees and even a broken collarbone .
I cut off everyday and still ok

[spoodoo]

itd be interesting if someone did a survey on the health of posties ,,,backs,, knees etc would make interesting viewing , ,,,,,

[goldy]

itd be interesting if someone did a survey on the health of posties ,,,backs,, knees etc would make interesting viewing , ,,,,,

i allways said there needs to be an independent medical assessment on the walks some seem far too long if you were on them for a long stretch you wouldnt get proper recovery time
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[fishtank]

itd be interesting if someone did a survey on the health of posties ,,,backs,, knees etc would make interesting viewing , ,,,,,

Long Term Study of the Delivery Role.

Version Draft


2nd Feb 2011

Introduction
The implementation of sequence sorting will reduce the amount of indoor work in delivery offices. As a result the current pattern of IPS, delivery preparation and a 3.5 hour delivery will not be enough to fill a full time 5 day week duty. Many offices have already implemented longer delivery spans or part time working for some of the workforce. This study will monitor post revision deliveries covering key parts of the delivery strategy to ensure that the work does not pose long term issues for the health and wellbeing of the staff.

The study will monitor the main delivery methods:-
• Shared vehicles with LWDT & light pouches
• HCT
• eHCT
• Cycles
• Pouch on shoulder

The study will consider indoor as well as outdoor work and will consider full and part time working.
Objective
The objective of the study is to monitor the long term fatigue and health of individuals working in deliveries following revisions carried out under the new delivery strategy, looking at both the indoor and outdoor part of their jobs.
Scope
The study will monitor deliveries 6 months after revisions have been carried out and then at 12, 18 and 24 months, It is envisaged that the study will consist of two parts, a field study and the analysis of health and accident data.

The field study will consist of monitoring subjective fatigue, discomfort and heart rate in a sufficient number of offices to obtain adequate sample sizes for each delivery method. Data will be collected over the course of the week to take account of workload variations. The timing of the study will aim to be completed during periods of normal traffic levels which reflect the model week on which the deliveries were planned i.e. avoiding peak periods where possible.

The health and accident data will be obtained from the MyPeople database. Additional data including Atos referrals, duty changes and staff turnover will be included if this is available.
Method
Field study
It is proposed that the field study will take place in at least three offices, to be agreed. It is likely that additional offices will need to ensure that a range of equipment and terrain are included. The data collection will be carried out over the course of a week at each site. Participants will take part on a voluntary basis but it is hoped that there will be 15 participants at each site.

The measurement techniques and data recorded will include:-
• Subjective measures of fatigue including discomfort assessment, fatigue scores, views of walk-holders and a questionnaire related to longer term health, fatigue and workload.
• Heart rate data will be collected from up to 15 participants throughout the shift.

The following data will also be collected for the deliveries participating in the study
• Indoor work - IPS, prep length, frame type, standing/sitting, % mail sequenced other indoor tasks. The actual time spent on indoor tasks will be compared to the scheduled time allocated.
• The actual time taken to complete the delivery will be compared to the scheduled time for the route.
• Timing and length of breaks, delivery span, indoor work and overall duty pattern (FT &PT), hours worked compared to scheduled, rotation arrangements.
• Call rate, based on an empty slot count for single slot fittings and an estimation based on sequencing for dual slot fittings.
• The number of attendance calls compared to the planned number.
• Terrain assessment, including breakdown of routes by sections if appropriate,
• Route characteristics including DPs, distance covered, burst length and number, building type, low level boxes, travel out and back method.
• Georoute breakdown – travel time, service time, dead walking
• Weather conditions will be noted
• Individual profile (age; sex; health, injuries, experience, footwear, regular duty holder/relief)

Health and accident data
This will involve analysing data from all sites for the 2 year period of the study and will include all members of staff, not just those participating in the field study. The data will be downloaded from the MyPeople database. The data collected will include:-

• Sick leave due to musculoskeletal disorders, stress related conditions and cardiovascular complaints
• Accidents on duty
• Medical retirements
• Referrals to Atos
• Staff turnover (and relationship to specific duties)
Timescales
The work will be carried out to fit in with the delivery revisions program. It is envisaged that the initial visits will be carried out in April/May 2011, with subsequent visits being carried out at 6 monthly intervals over the following two years.
Costs
Costs are currently being scoped. The study may require support from external contractors.
It will be necessary to review the costs and the balance between staff and contractor time once the trial offices have been agreed.
Dependencies
Approval for funding is not yet guaranteed and may impact on the scope of the study.

Staff will need to be motivated and given sufficient time to take part in the study, the support of managers and the CWU will be necessary to achieve this.

Availability of data from HR, Atos the delivery revisions team and local offices.

Equivalent reports to those available from MyPeople will be available from the new HR system, PSP

Ability to use contractors as additional ergonomics resource.

[Dorset Plodder]

And I suppose if RM don't like the Results this Study will be conveniently "Swept under the Carpet" FT? We all know we're working harder for less....but I guess RM have to pay someone to prove it to them...then they can ignore it!