gross misconduct

[rowdogg]

hi i have been suspended for gross misconduct for signing in for ot at another office whilst in duty time...'apparently its fraud'
ive done this particular ot for the past 4 days and only today has it been highlighted, i wasnt informed by the office i was doing the ot at that its against the rules as others in my own office ghost ot i.e on splits etc but apparently mine is different because i signed in at another office whilst in duty time????
can anyone shed light on possible/most likely outcomes.
thanks :)

[flaminmoses]

gross misconduct means your sacked

[daveyeff]

hi i have been suspended for gross misconduct for signing in for ot at another office whilst in duty time...'apparently its fraud'
ive done this particular ot for the past 4 days and only today has it been highlighted, i wasnt informed by the office i was doing the ot at that its against the rules as others in my own office ghost ot i.e on splits etc but apparently mine is different because i signed in at another office whilst in duty time????
can anyone shed light on possible/most likely outcomes.
thanks :)

gross misconduct is most definately a sackable offence, did you finish your shift at your own office, did you take your meal break. have you refused ot at your home office, or refused to go over your time previously? have you seen your rep. it is rubbish to suggest that your ghost ot is any different from anyone elses just because yours is at another office!! ghost blue(o/t) is ghost blue full stop, point this out to your rep. you cant have your dom turning a blind eye to it just because its at your home office. then trying to peddle you because you,ve went and done it at a different office. there could be mitigating circumstances here, ie, you didnt take your break, you were unaware it was wrong because its done at your office on a regular basis. make damn sure you get the AREA rep involved and let him know the full 9 yards of the whole situation. it could be you may be sacked or suspended dismissal, but if you screw your loaf you may get a break.,,,,good luck.

[daveyeff]

gross misconduct means your sacked

not neccessarily, depends on the circumstances. there was two at our office last year charged with it, they BOTH kept their jobs.

[wayoutman]

can not be sure of the outcome but i would advice you get intouch with your rep or area rep NOW.

all the best with it.

[flaminmoses]

gross misconduct means your sacked

not neccessarily, depends on the circumstances. there was two at our office last year charged with it, they BOTH kept their jobs.

was that after an appeal??
or with the original decision?

[daveyeff]

gross misconduct means your sacked

not neccessarily, depends on the circumstances. there was two at our office last year charged with it, they BOTH kept their jobs.

was that after an appeal??
or with the original decision?

original decision, they both got factfinders, then both suspended, then it was passed up to the dsm, who took the factfinder on, then kept them on suspension for a further 2 weeks, then gave them the decision that they,d kept their jobs.

[smileski]

Gross misconduct does not mean your sacked!!!

It can certainly lead to dismissal, but is not a given, i have managed to get the same guy off a gross misconduct charge 3 times!

He has even had a two year serious since then aswell!!

It all depends on the circumstances, get your rep involved straight away and start bulding your case.

[brothermagrew]

GROSS MISCONDUCT

Some types of behaviour are so serious and so unacceptable, if proved, as to warrant dismissal without notice (summary dismissal) or pay in lieu of notice. It is not possible to construct a definitive list of what constitutes gross misconduct, and in any event all cases will be dealt with on their merits. However, the following examples show some types of behaviour, which in certain circumstances could be judged to be gross misconduct.


THEFT, VIOLENCE, HARASSMENT AND BULLYING, ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR TO CUSTOMER, WILFUL DELAY OF MAIL, DELIBERATE DISREGARD OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND SECURITY PROCEDURES OR INSTRUCTIONS, UNAUTHORISED ENTRY TO COMPUTER RECORDS AND CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST THE POST OFFICE OR ITS EMPLOYEES.

[fishtank]

Deliberately fraudulent overtime claims are always going to be considered as gross misconduct.
What will be important is the level of knowledge that the OPG had that this was an unacceptable practice,local common practice,management culpability and training.

[daveyeff]

Deliberately fraudulent overtime claims are always going to be considered as gross misconduct.
What will be important is the level of knowledge that the OPG had that this was an unacceptable practice,local common practice,management culpability and training.

totally agree, but i know one thing for sure, i would be stating that the dom allows ghost blue to go on without reprisal in his own office.

[gerardy]

the area rep should be able to use the fact,
that two others in a different office have kept their jobs for doing the same thing
use them as a precidence set by RM

[daveyeff]

the area rep should be able to use the fact,
that two others in a different office have kept their jobs for doing the same thing
use them as a precidence set by RM

nar mate, the two at our office were charged with gross misconduct, but it was a different offence,,,,they were doing an errand in the van, so they were charged with going off route, and subsequently failing to guard the integrity of the mail. sorry for giving the wrong impression. but the lad here has a case, because his manager is trying to get him sacked for ghost overtime, whilst at the same time allowing it to go on unpunished in his own office.

[Cheetah]

Once again this cowardly selective aproach to discipline by management sickens me "fair and CONSISTENT" it states in the conduct code I don't think so ...... I do feel for you but we all know the rules regarding working your payed hours, but that's no use to you in the position you find yourself.....
My advice would be firstly document everything, all said by management relevant to the case (witnessed if possible), telephone conversations, everything. Secondly ( this may seem unsavoury but after refusing to involve others in my case a senior national union official insisted I named others as they could not be punished retrospectively and were key to prooving the practise is acceptable when it suits) log others in your office doing ghost overtime as this will help in prooving 1. the practise goes on and is accepted by management and 2. that you are being singled out and treated differently.
Anyhow good luck hope it goes well......

[resperin]

you face the sack for "helping" out an office