door to door

[silly suffolk]

postman at dly office i go to said door to doors so low at the moment that dly supplement is now under threat. any one else heard this?

[mailmonkey]

Delivery Supplement is not related to door-to-doors.

Or so we're told when we have any complaints about it.

Wouldn't surprise me if RM decide it IS related to D2D's if it suits them though TBH.

But, to answer your question, no, D2D business should have no impact on the Delivery Supplement.

[POSTMAN]

postman at dly office i go to said door to doors so low at the moment that dly supplement is now under threat. any one else heard this?

Ignore him...

Heres few facts on door to door !!

In 2009/10 there was 2.8 bilion items a year , quiet in the summer , busy in the autumn and with no deliveries over christmas.

In 2010/2011 , the cap released to 4 items in June but with no prior planning , cap release to 5 in August , Christmas Open but most campaigns plans already made in the market. Cap release to 6 in January 2011. Traffic increased to 3.2 billion items.

Plan for 2011 /2012 improved notice christmas campaigns hoping for an increase of 3.7 billion items.

Door to door is still bucking the marketing trend. Royal Mail have won some growth in the retail sectonr and with supermarkets.

However quailty of service is impacting on growth.

The current traffic door to door situration is that Royal Mail are still selling 4 items to 3 million households , 5 items to 1.5 million households and 6 to 0.6 million households.

So the increase in the cap of 3 items per week has meant on average 5 million addresses per week get more than 3 items and the cap release is accounting for approxmately 8 million items a week at present.

Quality of service is estimated to be running at 90% . The quaility of service results have meant that Royal Mail have lost customers and some contracts have been delayed with major supermarkers due to poor intial trial results.

Customer churn is very high !! 77% of customers gained by Royal Mail in July 2010 have not booked again and 39% of Royal Mail`s existing customers have not re-booked in the last 12 months.

[silly suffolk]

Delivery Supplement is not related to door-to-doors.

Or so we're told when we have any complaints about it.

Wouldn't surprise me if RM decide it IS related to D2D's if it suits them though TBH.

But, to answer your question, no, D2D business should have no impact on the Delivery Supplement.

hope your right, in the world we live in now most agreements will be under threat if they are of benifit to the workforce. still if the dly supplement is scrapped rm could pump more money into world class mail.

[fishtank]

I think to be honest POSTMAN the presentation Royal Mail are giving on D2D is pre-summer 2011.
This summer has been very quiet for D2D in my area at least.
Having said that it shouldn't make any difference to the Del Supp...that's a "permanent" addition to pay...or so we've been told.
Anyway i've got 3 for next week so things are looking up.

[Stormproof]

I've 4 again next week I f***ing hate the things and would happily take a tenner pay cut not to have to deliver them.

[spoodoo]

has anyone else noticed last few weeks,if youve say 4 d t ds ,but find out youre say 2 sets short? why ?

[DGP1]

I've 4 again next week I f***ing hate the things and would happily take a tenner pay cut not to have to deliver them.

I've 2 again, like most of the rest of the summer but it really doesn't matter if it's 2 or 6, still takes roughly the same to prep them so I don't care anymore, all done in RM time anyway

[Cut Off King]

I've 4 again next week I f***ing hate the things and would happily take a tenner pay cut not to have to deliver them.

YOU AND ME BOTH -- Its a lot of extra work for a delivery sup. of £20 (minus tax & NI )

And here's me thinking the CWU was all for UPing BASIC pay ( for the last 10 years ) and reducing relience on sups. ( NDA, ESA,Driving & PHG payments etc. ).... or was that a lie ?

We were told shift allowance's were bad because they could be removed, but DEL SUP's are good beacuse they go up a few pence a year

WELL D2D HAS GONE UP 100% FROM 3 TO 6 ITEMS A WEEK

CS shares have gone from £1400 TO £0

And the cwu have gone into hiding

[pokos27]

why not they may as well get rid of meal relief as well, snip snip

[clashcityrocker]

has anyone else noticed last few weeks,if youve say 4 d t ds ,but find out youre say 2 sets short? why ?

Some people are whole sets short.
Some people have 100s extra.
Some people have D2D turn up a week or 2 late.
Some people have D2D a week early.

The "professional" presentation of D2D ain't happening.
We aren't giving the customer the service they are paying for. We aren't driving up efficiency.

[Martin Walsh]

Fishtank the door to door presentation was given this August to the CWU.

There is no discussions going on about reducing the supplement so this is another red herring.

CUT OFF KING just because you say it in capitals does not make it true.

For the record the delivery supplement is a permanent addition to basic pay. It increases with pay rises hence it is no longer £20.60. The two reasons why it is not a pensionable payment is 1. The fact Royal Mail has then worst pension deficit in Britain and adding that amount would increase the problem. Secondly by putting it into pensionable pay then we would have delivery postman and women on a higher basic pay than mail centres and distribution staff which would be problem especially as during the 1990s mail centres were offered an higher basic pay but this was rejected in support of delivery members.

Now we know at the moment only 600,000 addresses out of the nations 28 million addresses are getting 6 items per week. Now we also know that sadly Royal Mail's revenue is falling as a result of DSA and to varying degrees as a result of loss of traffic caused by the digital revolution. When you joined Royal Mail you signed a contract which said you would work an amount of hours for an amount of money and that you would deliver mail.

Given the state of the industry the union has done something which should not be under estimated is that the union has secured the supplement on a permanent addition to basic pay for delivering an increase of door to door in your conditioned hours.

Now in terms of colleague share discussions are on-going to challenge why Royal Mail went from paying out colleague shares payments to people leaving the business a few months ago to then saying the value of the company was worthless and that meant that no payments would be paid out. However remember colleague share was never an agreement with the CWU , it was Leightons plan and was always a con as how could you value a company with a pension deficit bigger than it's turnover.

The CWU are applying pressure to get improvements to the agreement and address the colleague share issues.

[fishtank]

Given the state of the industry the union has done something which should not be under estimated is that the union has secured the supplement on a permanent addition to basic pay for delivering an increase of door to door in your conditioned hours.

Let's not over egg the pudding either though.
£12.37 of my delivery supplement was already a permanent addition to my basic pay,the rest was made up from the D2D "pot".
I've made a net loss and i'm prepared to live with that for the greater good but i don't think lauding it as a masterstroke is really appropriate either.
It was not new money and if revenue increases from D2D without members seeing an extra slice of the pie then the value and sense behind the Delivery Supplement decreases....unless of course your priority is the company balance sheet...which is understandable...we all need the company to flourish...but not at the expense of your own members.

[Cut Off King]

Dingo wrote

for delivering an increase of door to door in your conditioned hours

Under the last d2d agreement, d2d items were already done WITHIN your basic hours !
And the people actually doing the work were rewarded by getting paid for the number of items you delivered.
There are now people being paid £20 for NOT delivering ANY items.
People are getting £20 for delivering 6 x 700+ items and another person in the office delivering 1 x 370 items for the same £20
All this and no time to prep said items.

And before anyone says that the agreement say you should get time to prep them up built into your duty time, well we live in the real world not the world written down on a piece of agreement paper.
Reps don't get weekly resourcing meeting , nor do they get realease time either
Even if the local rep gets time for D2D's put into duty's , RM remove that time by up-ing the prep rate, walk speed...etc. etc. etc. so your back to square one

I am NOT against the union , I want the CWU at HQ level to understand that unless the agreements that are made are WATERTIGHT, with specific direct references to what shall or shall not be done, the RM local & area managers will use this to beat local reps back. Also CWU members would know what was expected of them, with no wriggle room to become a managers favourite because they do extra lapsing or come in early or don't book or get out of IP sorting.

[fishtank]

The CWU are applying pressure to get improvements to the agreement and address the colleague share issues.

Any chance you or someone from HQ could let the membership know what those "improvements" are?
I'm not aiming too high....sticking to the original agreement would be nice...all of it...the trolleys,the welfare,the payment triggers,the 1 in 4 Saturdays,SWW...that sort of thing.