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Post by stokes11eg »

:crazy: Well, well, i've just browsed through the archive section, 2007, and it seems then that 40.000 folks didn't vote--
many did not recveive ballot papers, Most of those who went out on strike seemed not to vote, or voted for the opposite of what thay said--does it sound familiar?.
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stokes11eg wrote::crazy: Well, well, i've just browsed through the archive section, 2007, and it seems then that 40.000 folks didn't vote--
many did not recveive ballot papers, Most of those who went out on strike seemed not to vote, or voted for the opposite of what thay said--does it sound familiar?.
All too familiar stokesy - something in the state of Denmark etc etc - at least they won't be getting any more of my money after next week! There are at least 30,000 employees in RM who are not members of the union - probably more after this debacle - do they ever come to any harm? - in fact it could be argued that they prosper without paying a dime - I mean if prosper is the right word, because they are still subject to the muppets agreements subs or no.
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:sad: Yes, better of without this Union--most folks have enough intelligence now to represent themselves, or can get an outside agency involved, if I count up all my union subs over the years, I'd have had quite a nest egg now if I had kept it for myself! And you are right about non-members benefitting------
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Post by andrew11 »

yep lets all leave the Union - but don't look at part of the picture believe it or not the Union are getting us a better deal than we would have ,yes a lot are getting some of the benefits without contributing, but if we all leave the Union lets see what happens . If it wasn't for the Union we wouldn't be getting any extra money in our pay,and we would still be delivering DD ,we are only made weaker by those that are prepare to take all the Union negotiate but are not prepared to pay in, and go to work in the strikes,again undermining our argument.
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You have to be cruel to be kind! The best thing to end this ludicrous state of affairs would be to stop financially supporting the union, and start again, you are obviously one of those who still consider that this leadership is going to change and that reorganisation will take place without a purge. Fair enough wait as long as you like, I'm done waiting.
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So you keep saying in just about every post since the result was announced. :roll:
Why keep on shouting on about it? Just do it, if you think it's in any way a smart thing to do.
Or is it that you feel the need to have others do it too, just to "confirm" to yourself that it was a sensible move, and you're a little unsure about it? :hmmmm

Still seems the dumbest of dumb course of action to me with all the changes imminent, but as with the lemming, some will always follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique... :wink:
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Tman wrote:So you keep saying in just about every post since the result was announced. :roll:
Why keep on shouting on about it? Just do it, if you think it's in any way a smart thing to do.
Or is it that you feel the need to have others do it too, just to "confirm" to yourself that it was a sensible move, and you're a little unsure about it? :hmmmm

Still seems the dumbest of dumb course of action to me with all the changes imminent, but as with the lemming, some will always follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique... :wink:
Thank you for your input tman - I am hanging on your every word, such insight - I am not worthy :left:
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Tman wrote:So you keep saying in just about every post since the result was announced. :roll:
Why keep on shouting on about it? Just do it, if you think it's in any way a smart thing to do.
Or is it that you feel the need to have others do it too, just to "confirm" to yourself that it was a sensible move, and you're a little unsure about it? :hmmmm

Still seems the dumbest of dumb course of action to me with all the changes imminent, but as with the lemming, some will always follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique... :wink:
It may surprise you to know Tman: But someone pulling out of anything (including a Union) alone, without looking for solidarity, will achieve nothing. :hmmmm Now, I personally disagree with Dvbuk. But he has just as much right to try to encourage others to follow suit, to further his campaign, as anyone else.

Now what you need to ask yourself, is why you need to resort to name calling?
Don't you have a rational argument to counter his? :hmmmm

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It may surprise you to know Tman: But someone pulling out of anything (including a Union) alone, without looking for solidarity, will achieve nothing. :hmmmm
Now why would it "surprise me" when I've already said it's a dumb course of action?
Now, I personally disagree with Dvbuk. But he has just as much right to try to encourage others to follow suit, to further his campaign, as anyone else.
Sure he has. Still pointless and ultimately futile though. As someone else said recently, how people like to bang on on RMC isn't reflected in "real life", and many of those making a real big show of leaving the CWU either won't, or will rejoin soon enough. Just show-boating really.... :wink:
Now what you need to ask yourself, is why you need to resort to name calling?
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Perhaps the Lemming reference although that is an Urban Legend of huge proportions. Lemming Suicide Myth Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

Or perhaps you meant the computer game, but they don't "follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique." do they, as being computer generated images/characters I don't think they can have "pique", adolescent or otherwise.
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As someone else said recently, how people like to bang on on RMC isn't reflected in "real life"
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Perhaps the Lemming reference although that is an Urban Legend of huge proportions. Lemming Suicide Myth Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

Or perhaps you meant the computer game, but they don't "follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique." do they, as being computer generated images/characters I don't think they can have "pique", adolescent or otherwise.
Thanks for that TBT, ever since tmans post I have been wondering which cliff I was about to plunge from :chuckle

Actually that is another thing I have learned, I remember the Disney film quite vividly as a youngster and I did think that they committed suicide by jumping off a cliff into the sea.

It just goes to show that with enough persuasion people can be made to believe that bad things are really good :hmmmm
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Perhaps the Lemming reference although that is an Urban Legend of huge proportions. Lemming Suicide Myth Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior
Or perhaps you meant the computer game, but they don't "follow self-destructive paths in fits of adolescent-like pique." do they, as being computer generated images/characters I don't think they can have "pique", adolescent or otherwise.
Whether it's a myth or not, "lemming" conveys the meaning of a blind nonsensical rush to get to a negative situation, and which is entirely appropriate in the circumstances.
As for your last sentence, I'm sure you think it very droll, but the "pique" actually refers to those leaving the CWU and has no link or reference to lemmings, either furry or CGI.
{But I'm sure you knew that really, anyway.. :wink: }