Have you all given up!

viking · Post by **viking** » 12 Apr 2010, 16:06

reading through the forum feedback it sounds like the workers have already given up and decided that there will be a majority Yes vote. We have not even received the ballot papers yet! I for one shall still be voting NO as the whole thing is a complete insult to the RM workers. Just because the cwu reps and rm bosses want this do not be fooled by them, stick up for what you really want..and i dont believe any of you want to lose money and end up physically knackered as this is what will happen. As a long serving postie i have learnt not to believe what rm tell you. Read between the lines of the "proposal" as what you think it says and what it actually does say is two different things. DONT GIVE UP YET!

mclovin · Post by **mclovin** » 12 Apr 2010, 16:09

2 words.

Stitch. Up.

Doesnt matter how many vote no, its still gonna be yes.

pendley · Post by **pendley** » 12 Apr 2010, 16:19

if voting yes for this agreement you will be voting for potential not fact.the only fact contained in the eighty page document is a wage cut for many of us.as for the rest of it, that requires a major u turn on to many fronts by to many people to be of real inerest surely

pickaname · Post by **pickaname** » 12 Apr 2010, 16:41

mclovin wrote:2 words.

Stitch. Up.

Doesnt matter how many vote no, its still gonna be yes.

Are you saying the union and royal mail will fiddle the result?

mclovin · Post by **mclovin** » 12 Apr 2010, 17:16

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. My manager agrees with me too.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 12 Apr 2010, 17:16

pickaname wrote:
mclovin wrote:2 words.

Stitch. Up.

Doesnt matter how many vote no, its still gonna be yes.
Are you saying the union and royal mail will fiddle the result?

They have already.
It's called roadshows and salesmen and branch recommendations and comms from Big Dave and DVDs.

wetrix · Post by **wetrix** » 12 Apr 2010, 17:20

While loss of d2d monies is regretable, its inevitable, due to the walk sequencing machines and R Mail's view on them, you would lose the payment anyway or at best it would be reduced, the Union has acted now rather than later, to get the best deal it can, act later, the £20.60 would be a lot less, while we may not like it, we have to face the reality.

mclovin · Post by **mclovin** » 12 Apr 2010, 17:49

Then lets jump off that bridge when we come to it.

Post by **General Mannerheim** » 12 Apr 2010, 17:52

wetrix wrote:While loss of d2d monies is regretable, its inevitable, due to the walk sequencing machines and R Mail's view on them, you would lose the payment anyway or at best it would be reduced, the Union has acted now rather than later, to get the best deal it can, act later, the £20.60 would be a lot less, while we may not like it, we have to face the reality.

Higgy is that you?

wetrix · Post by **wetrix** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:20

its about facing facts, the D2D monies would go or be reduced to 1 contract at best, when the walk sequencing machines will decimate indoor work, the union needs to find other work to protect jobs, hence D2D into workload, its a no brainer or lets carry on and ignore reality, is an agreement to protect jobs, for anyone voting NO, if a NO vote is the result, what do people honestly think will change, will everything just go away, will walk sequencing machines be sent back and not come in, people need to start living in the real world, the job will change, we might not like it, but it does not mean, it wont happen.

johnnyrocker · Post by **johnnyrocker** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:32

If Early Morning Shift allowance is going down every year, what about the PHG allowance. Why wasnt that brought into the Delivery Allowance. Robbing Peter to Pay Paul is a stitch up.

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:39

viking wrote:reading through the forum feedback it sounds like the workers have already given up and decided that there will be a majority Yes vote. We have not even received the ballot papers yet! I for one shall still be voting NO as the whole thing is a complete insult to the RM workers. Just because the cwu reps and rm bosses want this do not be fooled by them, stick up for what you really want..and i dont believe any of you want to lose money and end up physically knackered as this is what will happen. As a long serving postie i have learnt not to believe what rm tell you. Read between the lines of the "proposal" as what you think it says and what it actually does say is two different things. DONT GIVE UP YET!

Not all reps are singing the praises of the deal!!
Im not being brainwashed by anyone!
Yes I can see the sense in protecting jobs because of W/S and loss of indoor work.
But this deal worries me and the idea of later starts through the week depresses me, also the unfairness of the pro-rata supplement,amongst other things.
I have done 26 years, call me a cynic but I have yet to see a good deal.

Post by **REDLETTER** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:47

wetrix wrote:its about facing facts, the D2D monies would go or be reduced to 1 contract at best, when the walk sequencing machines will decimate indoor work, the union needs to find other work to protect jobs, hence D2D into workload, its a no brainer or lets carry on and ignore reality, is an agreement to protect jobs, for anyone voting NO, if a NO vote is the result, what do people honestly think will change, will everything just go away, will walk sequencing machines be sent back and not come in, people need to start living in the real world, the job will change, we might not like it, but it does not mean, it wont happen.

As the courier has pointed out the last of the walk sequencing machines will be in by 2013....long way off.

Any vote now should reflect what the members want now. So if you haven't got you walk sequencing machines, how does the whole set-up of this agreement work.
In 2-3 years time lets us have a vote on changes then......not now!

My job HAS changed over the past 5 years and I've had very little say in that on a DO level!

wetrix · Post by **wetrix** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:52

Walk sequencing machines complete by 2013, they will arive in units over the next few months, ours will be here within 2-3 months, they are coming, and they work, the union had to act now, not when they start coming, when its to late

wetrix · Post by **wetrix** » 12 Apr 2010, 18:58

Monies like PHG allowances has gone to a very small amount of people, maybe 1-2 in each DO, if they still work for us, would hardly make any difference to over 100,000 other staff

Delivery spans, are not a major issue to me, if mail is arriving in offices late and all walks are planned to 14:30-15:00 last letter, and your last mail arrives later, and u go out say 10:30-11:00, then the span will and cant change that much, based on the planned last letter

Saturdays can be worked around, at least 1 in 4 off, why not more, it depends on the Rep and the strength of the office and what each office wants

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