Stage Warnings Procedure?

[mailmonkey]

My last 2 illnesses July, 3 days, Dec 3 days, .....

I'm not on a stage.

After my last 2 sicknesses management failed to give ma a back to work interview, I never signed anything.

Can a Stage 1 be triggered involving these two absences, or does RM's failure to follow procedure give me a benefit if I was to incur another absence...?

MM

[gerardy]

when were your last absences before these 2 dates.
procedures for stage warnings available in downloads

[coxie]

they can still issue a stage or will atleast try to however you and your union rep would have a stronger case to fight it without having a back to work on previous occassions.

[Barry Trotter]

not wanting to hijack mailmonkeys thread but I was told on thursday that I am up for a second stage due to being off work for an operation. I have never recieved a first stage warning. I was told a few years back that I was being considered for one but I was covered by the DDA. In January last year I had a fall out with my dom over him not paying me 8 hours overtime at christmas(which I still havent had) and hey presto january the 28th I have a first stage warning added to my record. Do they have to tell me they are issuing a stage warning or just that they are thinking about it? sorry mailmonkey.

[fishtank]

not wanting to hijack mailmonkeys thread but I was told on thursday that I am up for a second stage due to being off work for an operation. I have never recieved a first stage warning. I was told a few years back that I was being considered for one but I was covered by the DDA. In January last year I had a fall out with my dom over him not paying me 8 hours overtime at christmas(which I still havent had) and hey presto january the 28th I have a first stage warning added to my record. Do they have to tell me they are issuing a stage warning or just that they are thinking about it? sorry mailmonkey.

4. UNSATISFACTORY ATTENDANCE PATTERN
· Where an employee's attendance becomes unsatisfactory (whether or not a letter about attendance has been sent outside the formal procedure) this needs to be explained to the employee in terms of the appropriate stage of the formal procedure. The warning should normally be given at an interview, backed up by written confirmation.

· The interview can be adjourned at any stage if the interviewee raises a factor which requires further investigation or stopped if the interviewer considers that there is no need for further action.

· The employee must be told the outcome of the interview and the stage of the Attendance Procedure which then applies.

[laudrup11]

My last 2 illnesses July, 3 days, Dec 3 days, .....

I'm not on a stage.

After my last 2 sicknesses management failed to give ma a back to work interview, I never signed anything.

Can a Stage 1 be triggered involving these two absences, or does RM's failure to follow procedure give me a benefit if I was to incur another absence...?

MM

1st stage triggered by 4 absences or 14 days mate in a year.
If the two absences above are your only two, you cant receive a stage warning.
If you were on a 1st stage, it's then 2 absences or 10 daysi n any 6 month period within a year. (ie absences in February and November wouldnt connect)

[BELIAL]

Scary computer s**t . You are all standard and measurable resources.You will all be sick for a maximum of 14 days per year. Transgress and you will be punished.
Fair enough ,I can do 14 days sick ,no problem,thank you shin splint master

[mclovin]

Thought they'd changed it from 14 days to 12 to stop people having 2 weeks straight off.

[BELIAL]

Good thinking

[Barry Trotter]

Thanks fishtank,I'll go in armed. I did ask for proof the first stage had been issued and am hoping the dom has been silly and forged my signature as opposed to it being put down the wrong key being pressed on the computer.

[lainey]

nothing they can do if you never signed anything . this happened in my office the person should have got the sack but manager never done the right procedure

[Barry Trotter]

just to update a rather sheepish manager approached me and informed me that the stage 1 was never issued. he said that the previous manager had done all the paper work but 'forgotten' to issue the warning. Nothing to do with me being DDA covered and him knowing he was moving office a few weeks later so marking it issued cause it wouldnt be his problem. Am I right in saying the stage warning starts on the issue date and not the last day of your abscence? its been a month and a half since I returned.

[fishtank]

Am I right in saying the stage warning starts on the issue date and not the last day of your abscence?


No. A stage warning should be backdated to the day you returned to work after it was triggered.

[brothermagrew]

they can still issue a stage or will atleast try to however you and your union rep would have a stronger case to fight it without having a back to work on previous occassions.

I wouldn't bank on it - a wee snippet from a recent unsuccessful unfair dismissal (NI) case.

Also at hearing the claimant alleged the respondent had failed to conduct a return to work interview and that this had amounted to a procedural unfairness in their approach to the decision to dismiss him so as to undermine that decision. A return to work interview subsequent to every absence was recommended on the management checklist in the Guide to Managers, attendant on the managing absence policy.

The purpose of the return to work interview was to support an employee’s return to work and its role within the managing absence policy was to identify causes of concern that could be addressed to avoid further absence. Additionally the notes from any return to work interviews were considered as part of the management checklist of all documents sent to transactions services for consideration before Stage 3 is triggered.

The Tribunal noted that although no such return to work interview was conducted with the claimant the Tribunal found that the failure to do so and the failure to have generated a document which formed part of a check list did not amount to a procedural step in the claimant’s dismissal that had not been adhered to by the respondents.

[wolfie citizen smith]

Tosh!!!, If your injury is serious enough to warrent anyone having time off and this injury is caused by an accident while on duty, due to the incompadance of your employer, in our case Royal Mail or outside business/public influences then stage warnings ARE discounted. If however your symptons are continuious and an employee needs further time off due to the above then further stage warnings ARE discounted. If however your symptoms are continuious and further time off is due to a cold, football injury, diy injury or basically anything out side of the business that is not work related then Stage Warnings are given and rightly so. This is why we have Special Leave for unexpected circumstances.
doesn't it wind you up when colleagues try and spin a rep a yarn just to see if they can "get them off"