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FLEXABILITY
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WHITEANT
- Posts: 312
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FLEXABILITY
Could someone tell me is it half an hour a day or a week ? :lfo please give a link if possible :lfo
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*The Lone Postie*
- Posts: 74
- Joined: 16 Sep 2009, 16:06
- Gender: Male
- Location: SP1-SP5?
Re: FLEXABILITY
I have no link but i've allways believed it was 30 mins a week,and only in unforeseen circumstances i.e. if a lorry broke down/delayed
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johnnyp
- Posts: 5239
- Joined: 27 Jan 2007, 16:00
- Gender: Male
- Location: SE ENGLAND
Re: FLEXABILITY
From Pay And Mod Deal
Enablers
The following enablers have been agreed nationally and will be deployed in each unit, to meet the above objectives. Discussion and agreement between Royal Mail and CWU representatives will take place to ensure safe, fair and sensible implementation of these taking into account local circumstances and the application where relevant of the MTSF agreement. This will be achieved in line with our agreed IR procedures, weekly resourcing meetings and the fresh approach described in the introduction to this agreement. There will be provision for review of the agreed local plans on a regular basis.
It is all about managers, reps and employees working together sensibly with a bit of give and take, applying equally to all. This is not about employees not knowing what job they are on, or when they start and finish from one day to the next. Nor is it about anyone refusing reasonable requests. Account should of course always be taken of individual circumstances.
Longs and shorts – a structural change where the normal work pattern may be rebalanced across the week to reflect the traffic profile. For example individuals could be scheduled to work 7 hours on a Tuesday and 9 hours on a Friday. Total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Use of new technology – full cooperation and support for trials and subsequent deployment of new technology will take place, for example: iLSMs, walk sequencing, RDC automation, D2D automation, telemetry in area fleets, handhelds, collection handshake and materials handling. There will also be early deployment of flats automation, semi automated packet sorting and delivery method improvements.
Efficient Summer staffing – each unit will utilise the opportunity offered by reduced traffic volumes to re-arrange responsibilities during the summer period. This will offer employees additional opportunities for leave during the same period.
Working in nearby offices – Areas will identify and agree with the CWU locally a approach (which could include the use of volunteers and reserves) to working in nearby offices within employees’ contracted hours which will include travel times and appropriate travel and subsistence arrangements.
Innovative Duty Structures: Units will take the opportunity to review existing duty structures and identify innovative approaches to meet the above objectives.
Doing other work within your office: On occasions staff may be asked to undertake other work outside their normal duties. Employees would be appropriately trained, properly equipped and safe ways of working will always be in place.
Enablers
The following enablers have been agreed nationally and will be deployed in each unit, to meet the above objectives. Discussion and agreement between Royal Mail and CWU representatives will take place to ensure safe, fair and sensible implementation of these taking into account local circumstances and the application where relevant of the MTSF agreement. This will be achieved in line with our agreed IR procedures, weekly resourcing meetings and the fresh approach described in the introduction to this agreement. There will be provision for review of the agreed local plans on a regular basis.
It is all about managers, reps and employees working together sensibly with a bit of give and take, applying equally to all. This is not about employees not knowing what job they are on, or when they start and finish from one day to the next. Nor is it about anyone refusing reasonable requests. Account should of course always be taken of individual circumstances.
Longs and shorts – a structural change where the normal work pattern may be rebalanced across the week to reflect the traffic profile. For example individuals could be scheduled to work 7 hours on a Tuesday and 9 hours on a Friday. Total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
Use of new technology – full cooperation and support for trials and subsequent deployment of new technology will take place, for example: iLSMs, walk sequencing, RDC automation, D2D automation, telemetry in area fleets, handhelds, collection handshake and materials handling. There will also be early deployment of flats automation, semi automated packet sorting and delivery method improvements.
Efficient Summer staffing – each unit will utilise the opportunity offered by reduced traffic volumes to re-arrange responsibilities during the summer period. This will offer employees additional opportunities for leave during the same period.
Working in nearby offices – Areas will identify and agree with the CWU locally a approach (which could include the use of volunteers and reserves) to working in nearby offices within employees’ contracted hours which will include travel times and appropriate travel and subsistence arrangements.
Innovative Duty Structures: Units will take the opportunity to review existing duty structures and identify innovative approaches to meet the above objectives.
Doing other work within your office: On occasions staff may be asked to undertake other work outside their normal duties. Employees would be appropriately trained, properly equipped and safe ways of working will always be in place.
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headscrewedon
- Posts: 290
- Joined: 30 Sep 2009, 20:40
- Gender: Female
Re: FLEXABILITY
Precisely why the 2007 agreement was such a crock of shite !johnnyp wrote:From Pay And Mod Deal
Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
By using the phrase 'by up to 30 minutes' and not a more unambiguous
'by up to 30 minutes per week'
the wording is completely wide-open for Royal Mail to interpret as meaning 'by up to 30 minutes' on ANY day. So, you could - according to the wording - be asked to do it several times in the same week, as long as they give you the time back within that same week
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johnnyp
- Posts: 5239
- Joined: 27 Jan 2007, 16:00
- Gender: Male
- Location: SE ENGLAND
Re: FLEXABILITY
I cant see a problem with that,remember you only work your hours,no more,also the original proposal was up to 2 hours a day so its not as bad as it could have been.headscrewedon wrote:Precisely why the 2007 agreement was such a crock of shite !johnnyp wrote:From Pay And Mod Deal
Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
By using the phrase 'by up to 30 minutes' and not a more unambiguous
'by up to 30 minutes per week'
the wording is completely wide-open for Royal Mail to interpret as meaning 'by up to 30 minutes' on ANY day. So, you could - according to the wording - be asked to do it several times in the same week, as long as they give you the time back within that same week
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kingtubby
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 289
- Joined: 23 Jun 2007, 14:59
- Gender: Male
- Location: Porlock, Somerset
Re: FLEXABILITY
That should protect you from doing excessive hours, shouldn't it?...and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
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POSTMAN
- SITE ADMINISTRATOR
- Posts: 32773
- Joined: 07 Aug 2006, 03:19
- Gender: Male
Re: FLEXABILITY
Yes but as we know on here the agreement,all of it,is being abused.kingtubby wrote:That should protect you from doing excessive hours, shouldn't it?...and total weekly contractual hours would not change.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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fedupSK
- Posts: 45
- Joined: 02 Dec 2008, 18:58
- Gender: Male
Re: FLEXABILITY
our dom got his underlings to brief us last saturday that we would be starting at half 6 last tuesday so we could work half an hour later on saturday we all decided bollocks to that and came in 6 on the tuesday
yesterday he tried claiming we were on till half one instead of the usual 0ne finish and tuesday we worked half an hour for free after an hour of arguing the poor little lamb caved in
cant wait for this week when he wants to try flexing again
yesterday he tried claiming we were on till half one instead of the usual 0ne finish and tuesday we worked half an hour for free after an hour of arguing the poor little lamb caved in
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spilie
- Posts: 515
- Joined: 28 Oct 2007, 21:48
Re: FLEXABILITY
this should be brought up during these talks and thrown out, it should be a condition not a thing for discussion, it was a sh*t idea in the first place, why are we responsible for the amount of work we have in a day? we turn up,we work our hours and go home,we dont schedule the flow of mail,we dont sell the contracts,so why should we be penalised when it is quiet? Flex and absorbtion have been abused and should be thrown out and replaced by hard and fast rules, if not then i for one will not strike again
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WHITEANT
- Posts: 312
- Joined: 17 May 2009, 23:02
- Gender: Male
Re: FLEXABILITY
I laugh at this flexability, if the mail is light WE ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE MORE ,if the mail is heavy we are expected to work over our time WHERE IS THE FAIRNESS IN THAT ? :lfo
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luddite123
- Posts: 21
- Joined: 22 Oct 2009, 12:39
- Gender: Male
Re: FLEXABILITY
As I have said before, no f***ing hope of you lot ever cooperating with changes.fedupSK wrote:our dom got his underlings to brief us last saturday that we would be starting at half 6 last tuesday so we could work half an hour later on saturday we all decided bollocks to that and came in 6 on the tuesday
yesterday he tried claiming we were on till half one instead of the usual 0ne finish and tuesday we worked half an hour for free after an hour of arguing the poor little lamb caved incant wait for this week when he wants to try flexing again
WASTERS!
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mailman71
- Posts: 500
- Joined: 10 Jun 2007, 08:03
Re: FLEXABILITY
YAWNluddite wrote:As I have said before, no f***ing hope of you lot ever cooperating with changes.fedupSK wrote:our dom got his underlings to brief us last saturday that we would be starting at half 6 last tuesday so we could work half an hour later on saturday we all decided bollocks to that and came in 6 on the tuesday
yesterday he tried claiming we were on till half one instead of the usual 0ne finish and tuesday we worked half an hour for free after an hour of arguing the poor little lamb caved incant wait for this week when he wants to try flexing again
WASTERS!
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bandit1157
- Posts: 246
- Joined: 20 Aug 2009, 00:51
- Gender: Male
- Location: sh1t street
Re: FLEXABILITY
luddite wrote: As I have said before, no f***ing hope of you lot ever cooperating with changes. WASTERS!
Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
It's life Jim but not as we know it
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TrueBlueTerrier
- FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
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- Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
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- Location: On my couch
Re: FLEXABILITY
luddite wrote:As I have said before, no f***ing hope of you lot ever cooperating with changes.
WASTERS!


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darth
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: FLEXABILITY
WHITEANT wrote:I laugh at this flexability, if the mail is light WE ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE MORE ,if the mail is heavy we are expected to work over our time WHERE IS THE FAIRNESS IN THAT ? :lfo
this is the problem with give and take .
they take we give.