The job is better now

[Pfrizzy10]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

[Perseus]

The job is better now with late finishes of up to 4:30pm?

[Pfrizzy10]

The job is better now with late finishes of up to 4:30pm?

I’m never home later than 4, still better than most companies? The people moaning about that are usually the same people looking to stay out to 5 o’clock every day doing overtime, or undertime I should say.

[raXor]

Mail couldn't sit in the frame until next year though, could it. Most of the slots would be bulging after a few days. And the mail would then just pile up with weeks of D2Ds under the frame until nobody could get close.

So yes, nobody really cares that mail isn't going out for a while, but when it comes to crunch time, you'll be suspended then dismissed after a quick investigation. The new guy comes in, gets some of the mail delivered, then he does the same thing and gets dismissed. Rinse and repeat, there's a never ending supply of lambs to the slaughter.

[Pfrizzy10]

Mail couldn't sit in the frame until next year though, could it. Most of the slots would be bulging after a few days. And the mail would then just pile up with weeks of D2Ds under the frame until nobody could get close.

So yes, nobody really cares that mail isn't going out for a while, but when it comes to crunch time, you'll be suspended then dismissed after a quick investigation. The new guy comes in, gets some of the mail delivered, then he does the same thing and gets dismissed. Rinse and repeat, there's a never ending supply of lambs to the slaughter.

It’s not difficult to rotate it during the week though. Most should be able to do one or two rows of their frames each day and deliver their D2Ds. They have no grounds to sack anyone working their contracted hours (unless they are taking the piss or doing something majorly incorrect)

[raXor]

It’s not difficult to rotate it during the week though. Most should be able to do one or two rows of their frames each day and deliver their D2Ds. They have no grounds to sack anyone working their contracted hours (unless they are taking the piss or doing something majorly incorrect)

Is one or two rows enough? What about the duties that are failing twice each and every single week? We have some heavy town based duties like that with days, if not weeks worth of mail in trays stacked up like the leaning tower of pisa, and boxes upon boxes of D2Ds under the frame. The people working these duties are struggling really badly right now and no help is coming.

[Perseus]

The job is better now with late finishes of up to 4:30pm?

I’m never home later than 4, still better than most companies? The people moaning about that are usually the same people looking to stay out to 5 o’clock every day doing overtime, or undertime I should say.

The later finishes are the single biggest reason we have had about 15 staff leave over the past few years. We are literally finishing 3 hours later on a Saturday than we used to. So using that metric the job is certainly far worse. Being better than most companies isn't really a fair comparison given that most jobs that people leave ours for are either Monday-Friday or 4 on/4 off etc.

[Chelseablue]

Never did that in my near 30 years. No chance.

[Pfrizzy10]

Never did that in my near 30 years. No chance.

Glad to hear it. So what do you not agree with then?

[Pfrizzy10]

It’s not difficult to rotate it during the week though. Most should be able to do one or two rows of their frames each day and deliver their D2Ds. They have no grounds to sack anyone working their contracted hours (unless they are taking the piss or doing something majorly incorrect)

Is one or two rows enough? What about the duties that are failing twice each and every single week? We have some heavy town based duties like that with days, if not weeks worth of mail in trays stacked up like the leaning tower of pisa, and boxes upon boxes of D2Ds under the frame. The people working these duties are struggling really badly right now and no help is coming.

I understand but again, it’s not your problem. Work your hours and it doesn’t matter how much mail is there. All you can do is do what you can do.

[Judgee]

Sad to see this attitude in what was once a job where people took pride in their work and looked after their customers. I can see why people don't care any more. Being treated like dirt by management day in day out. Different pay rates, etc. But I think that you lose something of yourself when you no longer take pride in what you do! That's one of the reasons why I left after 20+ years. I couldn't do the half @rsed job that people are expected/choose to do working for RM. It was all or nothing so I chose nothing!

[Mr Rush]

We are literally finishing 3 hours later on a Saturday than we used to.

Nothing quite like the motivation that comes from being dropped off at my first door at a time I used to be finished on that same walk fifteen years ago (and it was actually clear daily back then with five times the volume of letters). We had improved attendance on a Saturday and gave it up for the wonderful world of P&L only to have the promise of better Saturdays dangled forth with the ODM.

[norris9]

Each office is different, is it not? People's view of the job will differ depending on how their office is run.

That said, in my office I have noticed managers have dropped their toxicity / harassment levels, so maybe something did change nationally? or is it the same old same old in other offices?

Oddly, there are also newer contracted people on duties that are the same size as they were for the legacy contracted posties and they do not have lapsing. They simply have more time to do the same amount of work.

[thefox]

Honestly, I don’t see why people complain about the job. In my opinion it’s set up to benefit posties now. We can literally do what we can do within our time, bring back whatever mail we can’t get done and nobody says a word. As long as premium products/collections are completed, we can fail as much mail as we need to. We can even go out and not post a single non-1st class letter if parcel volumes are high. I think it’s great and there’s absolutely no pressure anymore like there was during days we had to clear frames. Why would anyone want this back again? It’s not possible anymore anyway. I couldn’t give a toss if letters sit in frames to next year. Not our problem. Sorry, but anyone that gets upset and stressed out needs to catch themselves on. The only people putting pressure on you are yourselves. Start on your time and finish on your time and nobody can say a word. Stop coming in early like a clown and you will be better off. The only thing I want is more money per hour.

Hard to disagree with a lot of that,leaving mail used to be a major drama and fight with a manager now all the manager does is shrug his shoulders probably only bad bit as already mentioned is the later finish times although that only annoys me.on a Saturday.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Never did that in my near 30 years. No chance.

This will appear out of context, but this is how you debate, not by calling him names. It's ok to disagree in a debate its not ok to call people names, or intimate it. 1 Post deleted, and one post quoting it.