Management Impossible Situation, HELP

[Albethere]

Things are getting tricky right now at our DO. Manager is questioning ALL overtime claims for extended delivery, and mostly not even putting claims into the system so you don't get paid! But, if you say you are not working overtime you are ALSO in trouble because you are either bringing mail back, or leaving mail at the DO, so how is this helping customers???

Can manager put you in this impossible position then make up reasons to sack you?

We're only trying to do the job and not sure which way to turn. Help?????????

[coaster]

Things are getting tricky right now at our DO. Manager is questioning ALL overtime claims for extended delivery, and mostly not even putting claims into the system so you don't get paid! But, if you say you are not working overtime you are ALSO in trouble because you are either bringing mail back, or leaving mail at the DO, so how is this helping customers???

Can manager put you in this impossible position then make up reasons to sack you?

We're only trying to do the job and not sure which way to turn. Help?????????

Not sure you can get into trouble for bringing mail back if you leave it in the frame and notify a manager you are not prepered to go over your time. Espicially since you will not pay! If you are not the only one, and it sounds like you are not, unite together!

CWU time?

[Big Daz]

Get hold of your rep if you have one or Area Delivery Rep.

Contact details can be found by looking for a branch website, checking if there is anything on a notice board in the D.O. CWUHQ website will have contact details for your branch.

If you are still struggling for contact details after that send a urgent email to Dave Ward or Bob Giobson who can get a area del rep to make contact with you.

[Dynamo 2]

I was always told by my rep, "to inform your manager, because in your opinion, you would be unable to complete the delivery as you would be going over your time,". Your manager cannot force you to do overtime. Even if you return with mail, it's the manager's job to sort this out. see your rep, asap.

[Fedor Emelianenko Fan]

Things are getting tricky right now at our DO. Manager is questioning ALL overtime claims for extended delivery, and mostly not even putting claims into the system so you don't get paid! But, if you say you are not working overtime you are ALSO in trouble because you are either bringing mail back, or leaving mail at the DO, so how is this helping customers???

Can manager put you in this impossible position then make up reasons to sack you?

We're only trying to do the job and not sure which way to turn. Help?????????

Same is happening at my office, everyone having overtime questioned and some not being paid. I think the union rep is dealing with situation at my office. All I can say is that the first time I don't get paid is the last time I ll do it !

They questioned my overtime even though they see me return to the office everyday after delivery to collect my belongings.

[POSTMAN]

Some of the bits below should help you,never be scared to cut off.

You are within your rights,if you so wish to:(Which IS NOT Industrial Action.)
Start at your proper start time:You can not be forced to come in early.
Take your allocated meal breaks:You have the right to take all of your break before you go out on delivery.
Weigh your bags:This is a H&S issue and the bag weights should be on/near your signing on sheet.
Not use your car:You do not have to use your car EVEN if you have signed their declaration form.

You can not be forced to do overtime.
You can not be forced to finish your round if it takes you over your finishing time.
You do not have to 'finish the round and i'll pay you docket for it' if you don't want to.
If you want to claim the overtime for working over,see your Line manager or DOM before you go out.

Getting to your walk:

Depending on what's in your 318's depends on how you get out.
Most would have a van to take you out and bring you back.
Some offices i know have to get on a bus.
Some of you have to walk there.
Have a look at your 318's and enquire in this thread if needed.
PS:If there aint a van available,then just wait.
Unless your Manager has Business insurance on his car (Get proof) then he can't take you out in his car.

Unable to complete your round:

You are within your rights to stop delivering if you don't want to go over your finishing time.
Inform your Manager while prepping that you think there could be a problem,they may tell you to carry on or they may tell you to stream the work.
Inform your Manager before you tie up that you feel you will 'not be able to complete your round'.
You are not 'CUTTING OFF' 'you are unable to complete your round'.
Await instructions.
If you are told that 'in his/her opinion' that you can finish the round,then ask him/her what time should you ring in to inform them that you can't complete it,as you feel that could be the case.

Pouching off:
Give yourself time to pouch off.If you take your work to a pouch box or a Post Office,give yourself enough time to do that so that when you've finished,it is then your finishing time.
If you have to come back to your DO then obviously give yourself enough travelling time to get back and do your bits.
Again get instructions from your DOM or line Manager.


Always ring in,at least 30-60mins before your duty finishes if they get stroppy and don't give you a time to ring,or are adamant you will finish.
Do the above even if work has been taken off you,and you still can't finish on time.
If you do not ring in you will get done for willful delay.

ALL of the above are being done now by various offices up and down the country,including mine.
I'm still here,they're still here,you will be told told that working this way will get you down the conduct code as it's IA by Managers,but they will be lieing.

[coaster]

Thanks for that Postman but what if your DO never answers the phone? Getting an answer in my office is rarer than rocking horse shite

[trythat]

We were told the same, its to do with the flexibility stuff, as most (ours anyway) have signed up for it, there is zero tolerance for excess delivery OT, normal OT should still be there. The easy way to do it is, keep track of your early and late finishes and then shove your docket sheet in on Saturday.

This is what we get for signing up to the agreement, its only going to get worse. We're losing our nights in a couple of weeks, so there is going to be more problems, and we're supposed to have Georoute in by November (Not started anything yet).

TBH this and next year are going to be so s**t, it will make the last few years seem like a holiday :(