The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
I’m convinced you’re on a wind up
Watching decent hard working people doing 6 days over 7 is no wind up. With the CWU's agreement. The CWU would happily agree to the return of the pens and overseers.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
I'm still waiting for someone from the PWRFC to tell me what they're actually doing to improve the lives of postal workers, because mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever!
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
I’m convinced you’re on a wind up
He’s Chris webb
I'd never lower myself to take an appointed role in trade union. What self respecting rank and file democratic trade unionist would? You can't even vote Webb out. The only person who can sack him is the person who handed him the role - Dave Ward.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
I'm still waiting for someone from the PWRFC to tell me what they're actually doing to improve the lives of postal workers, because mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever!
The WSWS/SEP have reported time and time again on the betrayal of the CWU. Weeks ago the SEP covered the failures of Walsh's experiment. Walsh admitted the SEP were right on Thursday night, live on the internet. What workers want to know is what is the CWU doing to improve their lives? CWU loyalists mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever. You've lost the dressing room.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
I'm still waiting for someone from the PWRFC to tell me what they're actually doing to improve the lives of postal workers, because mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever!
The WSWS/SEP have reported time and time again on the betrayal of the CWU. Weeks ago the SEP covered the failures of Walsh's experiment. Walsh admitted the SEP were right on Thursday night, live on the internet. What workers want to know is what is the CWU doing to improve their lives? CWU loyalists mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever. You've lost the dressing room.
That just tells me someone is sitting in their bedroom writing an article slagging off the CWU.
I am not a CWU loyalist, I want to know what are the PWRFC doing on the ground to help improve the working lives of postal workers?
The 4% pay rise backdated to April offered so far hardly sounds groundbreaking by the EP Group? Either the CWU are treating us like idiots suggesting things will change under the EP Group, or they are idiots themselves for believing things will change.
I can't see increasing our hourly rate by around 50p an hour is going to attract or retain staff, particularly when our workload doubles later this year.
What worries me is if they’re offering 4% and virtually agreeing to equalisation of terms and conditions do they want Sunday working for all rather than new starters and volunteers only.
And so it should… but also a Sunday attendance should mean a better pay rate.
One Sunday in twelve+ for everyone is better than one in three just for new entrants. Equalising t&c’s should mean exactly that.
Do you think that Sunday working for those that don’t have it in their contract is better than what they have now?
What's currently happening with the CWU's blessing is contracts state 5 working days out of 7. It doesn't say what days. Some contracts were issued stating Sunday was a normal working day, fixed. However then Monday and Tuesday couldn't be covered. Workers are now finding they are working 6 out of 7 days.
If we don't stop the CWU Sunday will become compulsory overtime. There are much better ways to accommodate Sunday working like normalising the day and increasing rest days. One of the CWU loyalist above is touting for Sundays to be compulsory overtime. Beware.
Sorry but they took a job that had Sunday working included and we didnt. Thats where it ends for me.
I'll never agree that we should be forced to have our contracts changed to include it out of 'fairness'
Many have not. The contract states 5 days over 7. If we don't stop the CWU it will be compulsory overtime. Contracts already allow for it. The CWU could negotiate Sunday rotations at a resource meeting.
It says Sunday working. Ours dont.
Im not talking about how many Sundays they are supposed to work. Thats a seperate issue.
I know workers who've started for whom Sunday working was not expressly stated. Others have contracts which state they will work 5 days out of 7 without stating which 5 days. Some were contracted to work Wednesday to Sunday (remember when Monday and Tuesday were going in the bin?).
The reality is Sunday working can easily be introduced for everyone. We can shape that and get something out of it like extra days off.
I don’t want to work Sundays and my pre-2010 contract doenst have it in there either.
I don’t want to work Sundays and my pre-2010 contract doenst have it in there either.
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I'm happy to work Sundays as long as we get something for it, like an extra day off and Sunday rate. That's not what the CWU are currently agreeing. They are watching workers doing 6 over 7 and have nothing to say about it. Compulsory overtime is a reality. Dont just sit back and let the CWU get away with it.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
I dip in and out of this thread so I’m not really upto date on events but is something supposed to be happening tomorrow regarding the pay rise and putting the proposal before the new board?
I'm still waiting for someone from the PWRFC to tell me what they're actually doing to improve the lives of postal workers, because mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever!
I'm still waiting for someone from the CWU to tell me what they're actually doing to improve the lives of postal workers, because mouthing off on here is having no impact whatsoever!
I don’t want to work Sundays and my pre-2010 contract doenst have it in there either.
I'm happy to work Sundays as long as we get something for it, like an extra day off and Sunday rate. That's not what the CWU are currently agreeing. They are watching workers doing 6 over 7 and have nothing to say about it. Compulsory overtime is a reality. Dont just sit back and let the CWU get away with it.
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I think you’re on your own with that idea , if you want more days off , pick the 4 day week option in upcoming uso change.
I dip in and out of this thread so I’m not really upto date on events but is something supposed to be happening tomorrow regarding the pay rise and putting the proposal before the new board?
12% over 3 years.
35 hour working week.
Reinstatement of sick pay back to pre strike level.
VR at 12 months pay.
New entrants levelled up to "legacy" contract standards.
Delivery supplement gone.
Goal to move everyone to even later start and finish.
Introduction of morning and evening shift patterns.
