If Scotland votes aye

[newtimes]

simply_the_best, please keep up your postings on this thread.
Many thanks
Tom Sawyer

[simply_the_best]

Lost me there, not for the 1st time either!!

[dvbuk55]

I'm not surprised you have an ex-wife

My post was supposed to be a little light-hearted in an attempt to bring a little joy into an otherwise dreary thread full of unverifiable scare stories, what ifs and general bollocks.

You on the other hand have simply shown yourself up to be a bitter and nasty little man.

Apart from the blue tablets ft

[speckledtangerine]

The whole argument behind Scottish independence is largely the people of Scotland making decisions for ourselves and being accountable for them. Better together thinks Westminster knows best or in the case of the CWU, Wimbledon knows best. The irony is not lost on me.

A pamphlet on why Billy Hayes and his gang demand i vote no came through today. Given the fact that my branch (Scotland no. 2) were denied conference time to argue the motion, with others, will not be lost on members here in Scotland.

It was a diktat.

Billy, I'll be voting yes.

[speckledtangerine]

Furthermore, apart from being absolutely seething, i really feel like sending my membership card in a resignation letter and spending the twelve quid i save on a bag of groceries for my local food bank. At least ill be helping folk rather than subsidising the troughers at HQ and by proxy, labour, who are nothing more than red Tories.

Who brought in the bedroom tax initially for private sector tenants? Labour did. Who abolished grants for less affluent students? Labour did. Who raided the pension funds of our senior citizens whilst in power? Labour did.

Labour won't win the next election, ironically as although the members selected David miliband it was a block Union vote who actually elected the hapless and unpopular ed.

Lastly, let's say labour incredibly did pull off a victory (i know)- they have pledged to be tougher on welfare. And stick to coalition austerity budgets. Plus ed balls as Chancellor? Complicit in the financial crash and totally out of his depth.

It's a Hobson's choice. We have another way and we look like we'll grab it with both hands.

[Tman]

So you advocate jumping off the side of (what you perceive to be) an inefficient ship, and just hope that something you may find floating in the water just might be better? Really strange logic.
Whatever shortcomings (and I agree he's a useless tw*t) of Mr Balls, at least he knows which currency he and the rest of the country,will be using.
MacSmug has a lovely singing voice though....maybe him and Jimmy Krankie can soothe your future financial pain, although I suspect one way or another, the rest/remainder of the UK will be picking up the tab somewhere along the line.

[speckledtangerine]

So you advocate jumping off the side of (what you perceive to be) an inefficient ship, and just hope that something you may find floating in the water just might be better? Really strange logic.
Whatever shortcomings (and I agree he's a useless tw*t) of Mr Balls, at least he knows which currency he and the rest of the country,will be using.
MacSmug has a lovely singing voice though....maybe him and Jimmy Krankie can soothe your future financial pain, although I suspect one way or another, the rest/remainder of the UK will be picking up the tab somewhere along the line.

And the ad hominem stuff there on salmond and sturgeon is a key reason why no better together thanks are losing this. Play the man, not the ball.

And currency again. We'll be using the pound. Either in a currency union or sterlingisation. The former looks ever more likely as the markets get the jitters. If it's the later then that's cool. No central bank means you have to work to a budget.

Bash on with the project fear playbook by all means. There's strong rumours of a poll due tonight showing yes in the lead. Smear and fear is all BT have left and it isn't working. Unlucky.

[newtimes]

"Furthermore, apart from being absolutely seething, i really feel like sending my membership card in a resignation letter and spending the twelve quid i save on a bag of groceries for my local food bank. At least ill be helping folk rather than subsidising the troughers at HQ and by proxy, labour, who are nothing more than red Tories."
Really good idea,

[fishtank]

Dear Colleague

In the post today you will probablly have recieved a document from CWU Nationally on the Scottish Referendum recomending a NO vote on the 18th. This is to remind you all that your Branch Scotland No2 recomends you vote YES. This Branch spoke against the National Excutive motion at Annual Conference stating that it should be left to the Scottish membership to decide what way to vote there followed a heated debate but sorry to say their motion was carried that then became CWU policy hence the document that has been sent to you today. This does not stop Branches putting their own recommendations and ours is to Vote YES.

This morning the Branch phone has hardly stopped from members wanting to resign from the Union over the National Recomedation I have managed to calm the majority not to resign but instead by all means vent your feelings to Billy Hayes,(bhayes@cwu.org) but most importantly to VOTE YES on the 18TH.

Yours Sincerely

Willie Marshall/Branch Secretary

[mailman71]

Dear Colleague

In the post today you will probablly have recieved a document from CWU Nationally on the Scottish Referendum recomending a NO vote on the 18th. This is to remind you all that your Branch Scotland No2 recomends you vote YES. This Branch spoke against the National Excutive motion at Annual Conference stating that it should be left to the Scottish membership to decide what way to vote there followed a heated debate but sorry to say their motion was carried that then became CWU policy hence the document that has been sent to you today. This does not stop Branches putting their own recommendations and ours is to Vote YES.

This morning the Branch phone has hardly stopped from members wanting to resign from the Union over the National Recomedation I have managed to calm the majority not to resign but instead by all means vent your feelings to Billy Hayes,(bhayes@cwu.org) but most importantly to VOTE YES on the 18TH.

Yours Sincerely
Fish just curious as to why you think we will be better of in an independent Scotland with Royal Mail when you look at the geographical state of Scotland .
The big centres have always subsidised the rural areas so why do think we can prosper breaking away from Royal Mail.
Willie Marshall/Branch Secretary

[newtimes]

How much has CWU spent on this referendum crap, a postie has pointed out the CWU is not registered with the Electoral Commission and they are now investigating this. Does anyone know how much has been spent.

[Tman]

And the ad hominem stuff there on salmond and sturgeon is a key reason why no better together thanks are losing this. Play the man, not the ball.

No, there's nothing worse than a minor politician playing the petty nationalism trick, and McSmug plays it for all he's worth.
He's not even a one-trick pony (as time will surely tell) but he'll be long-gone by then, have written his memoirs and be assured of his place in history.
I wonder what the rights of UK settlement will be for all the (non-EU member) Jocks in a financial flight South in a couple of years? Shame if we have to take Bulgarians etc over our former brothers though...

[steve1873]

The whole argument behind Scottish independence is largely the people of Scotland making decisions for ourselves and being accountable for them. Better together thinks Westminster knows best or in the case of the CWU, Wimbledon knows best. The irony is not lost on me.

A pamphlet on why Billy Hayes and his gang demand i vote no came through today. Given the fact that my branch (Scotland no. 2) were denied conference time to argue the motion, with others, will not be lost on members here in Scotland.

It was a diktat.

Billy, I'll be voting yes.

Demand? Aye? Clearly you never actually read it.

[speckledtangerine]

The whole argument behind Scottish independence is largely the people of Scotland making decisions for ourselves and being accountable for them. Better together thinks Westminster knows best or in the case of the CWU, Wimbledon knows best. The irony is not lost on me.

A pamphlet on why Billy Hayes and his gang demand i vote no came through today. Given the fact that my branch (Scotland no. 2) were denied conference time to argue the motion, with others, will not be lost on members here in Scotland.

It was a diktat.

Billy, I'll be voting yes.

Demand? Aye? Clearly you never actually read it.

I did read it and it was pish.

Thanks for playing anyway.

[Danelectro]

Fish just curious as to why you think we will be better of in an independent Scotland with Royal Mail when you look at the geographical state of Scotland .
The big centres have always subsidised the rural areas so why do think we can prosper breaking away from Royal Mail.
Willie Marshall/Branch Secretary

Independence means goodbye to Ofcom and the regulations it currently imposes. Direct delivery could be stopped in its tracks and DSA could be tackled.These are things that Ofcom has the power to do now but refuses. The revenues from this will help offset the remote area costs.The EU directive is not clear on what constitutes a threat to the USO of each member state so we could be like France and play hard ball and cut DSA down to size.

Government subsidy will most likely be needed but you either see the postal service as a driver of the economy or not.The question is what stake do the employees currently working for Royal Mail and Royal Mail in Scotland have in it and what deal is likely to be struck.