The unknown of DM26

[Chelseablue]

God help us with the new way of working going by the posts here. At each others throats already

[Perseus]

Some moan they given large but run round and get it done they also had chance too pick another duty.

There's an argument within an argument there and it will always be there as long as RM exists.
Some parts of delivery are run as a public service and others are a ruthless money making machine, even from one duty to another.
In an ideal world every duty would be made up a few hundred houses with the exact same layout and number of parcels/letters every single day. All clocking in and out like a production line every day.
It gets complicated when someone has completed their duty of 150 tracked and 8 bags of mail (for example) and wants to go home but Mr Sandbagger on a lighter duty has left 10 large parcels that they 'couldn't fit into van along with their 4 bags of mail and 50 tracked', whilst checking in on all the old ladies on their run to kill some time'.... An extreme example, but the rough point is that managers want the same hours worked but hugely different workloads.

[Mr Rush]

know nothing of the drivers loops

That's a consequence of P&L. My knowledge of some areas is Swiss cheese because I never did there during single delivery, yet in others that I did many times nearly twenty years ago I can easily be sent off on my own while the driver handles the oversized. For anyone starting in the last fifteen years there's likely been no way or opportunity to learn an entire non-singleton frame.

[postslippete]

What is a real office !? Most ppl share the graft , youve obv worked with a few bad uns. Youlle survive.

Got nothing to do with the staff


When P&L was first introduced in our office we both did 6 loops each and all the parcels for the day would often fit into one or two mail sacks

Now we are expected to do 7 or 8 loops when all the parcels for the day comfortably fill 3 or even 4 Yorks! The van is often packed to the roof with parcels and management are insisting that only the driver should be out delivering parcels while the non-driver should only be delivering the mail. But it's not just parcels that the driver is now expected to do, its 1c letters as well as any collections and specials. Maybe you don't work that way with your van share colleague?

But anyway, that's why people generally prefer the singleton duties in our office. It's not that they don't want to work as a team but because the responsibility and workload on the driving side has steadily increased over the years. And my concern with DM26 is that if you add even more loops or just expand the area that's due to be covered then a lot of that extra pressure will inevitable fall on the driver.

[robriggs]

I am with you WalkerX. You get stuck in together. Perseus,you must work in a very bitter,unhappy,dysfunctional office if people are actually leaving due to getting stressed driving. And the ones left sound a right set of c***s,sorry. Just do their own loop,job and finish on the street?? How does that pan out? Do they just walk off back to the office? Do you take them back? Jesus.

[A2B]

I find the longer serving posties want the single duties because that's the way they have always worked

[postslippete]

I am with you WalkerX. You get stuck in together. Perseus,you must work in a very bitter,unhappy,dysfunctional office if people are actually leaving due to getting stressed driving. And the ones left sound a right set of c***s,sorry. Just do their own loop,job and finish on the street?? How does that pan out? Do they just walk off back to the office? Do you take them back? Jesus.

If they are non-drivers they don't need to go back to the office to clock out. They can do it on their PDA and the driver then takes all the slip left parcels back to the depot.

[ted_e_bear]

I am with you WalkerX. You get stuck in together. Perseus,you must work in a very bitter,unhappy,dysfunctional office if people are actually leaving due to getting stressed driving. And the ones left sound a right set of c***s,sorry. Just do their own loop,job and finish on the street?? How does that pan out? Do they just walk off back to the office? Do you take them back? Jesus.

If they are non-drivers they don't need to go back to the office to clock out. They can do it on their PDA and the driver then takes all the slip left parcels back to the depot.

Hmm perhaps that should change and they have to return to the office to finish their days work just like everyone else.

[Perseus]

I am with you WalkerX. You get stuck in together. Perseus,you must work in a very bitter,unhappy,dysfunctional office if people are actually leaving due to getting stressed driving. And the ones left sound a right set of c***s,sorry. Just do their own loop,job and finish on the street?? How does that pan out? Do they just walk off back to the office? Do you take them back? Jesus.

It's the way that the job has gone in a lot of offices with many staff just doing the bare minimum and always on the look out to minimise the effect that any changes have on themselves. Many, not all, see a shared van as the perfect opportunity to not pull their weight. People are pretty open about it. That work getting added on drip by drip onto the person doing the driving in ours is the reason they are leaving - not the actual driving itself.

[thefox]

I am with you WalkerX. You get stuck in together. Perseus,you must work in a very bitter,unhappy,dysfunctional office if people are actually leaving due to getting stressed driving. And the ones left sound a right set of c***s,sorry. Just do their own loop,job and finish on the street?? How does that pan out? Do they just walk off back to the office? Do you take them back? Jesus.

If they are non-drivers they don't need to go back to the office to clock out. They can do it on their PDA and the driver then takes all the slip left parcels back to the depot.

Hmm perhaps that should change and they have to return to the office to finish their days work just like everyone else.

Yip i agree as a non driver i wouldn't dream of going home and leaving driver to pouch off at end of shift,mental thats allowed to happen.

[Chelseablue]

I find the longer serving posties want the single duties because that's the way they have always worked

Most want single duties now, a lot less stress, on your own, going your own pace, nobody else to think about, take a few breaks , blast the radio, sometimes a lot lighter. Im near 30 years in and near to getting a singleton duty if i last the next carnage coming. Dreading it coming in

[Mr Rush]

I find the longer serving posties want the single duties because that's the way they have always worked

Not so, says Martin Walsh in a deceptively broad definition of the history of teamwork in RM.

Why, you could say we've always worked in vans. Yes, we had the crewbuses but you were only in them for about 20 minutes before being dropped off. Not all f***ing day (although it felt like it with some drivers taking the piss with the bag drops). Eight guys in an LDV heading out at 8AM on a Saturday - now that was camaraderie. I miss it so much

[Thommo44]

I find the longer serving posties want the single duties because that's the way they have always worked

Anyone with seniority will pick a singleton duty, why would they pick a town round with 16 loops paired with another with 16 loops?

[goldy2007]

I find the longer serving posties want the single duties because that's the way they have always worked

Not so, says Martin Walsh in a deceptively broad definition of the history of teamwork in RM.

Why, you could say we've always worked in vans. Yes, we had the crewbuses but you were only in them for about 20 minutes before being dropped off. Not all f***ing day (although it felt like it with some drivers taking the piss with the bag drops). Eight guys in an LDV heading out at 8AM on a Saturday - now that was camaraderie. I miss it so much

Was that starburst?

[Rve83ndxd]

Was that starburst?

No.

Starburst was brilliant