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Who will you vote for on June 8th

Conservative
122
23%
Labour
283
54%
Lib Dem
15
3%
SNP
36
7%
Green
6
1%
UKIP
21
4%
Other inc No Vote
37
7%
 
Total votes: 520

SierraOscarBravo
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Post by SierraOscarBravo »

mickeymacca wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:My mind is made up. I will be voting Conservative.

OK fair enough, I guess I can expect the next part of this post to convince me as to why I too should be voting Conservative.

I am just an ordinary working man with a young family to support. I have always voted Labour in the past, but with Corbyn and Abbott at the helm, I am sorry to say the Labour Party no longer represents people like me.

Don't sell yourself short, you're a politically engaged, working bloke that wants the best for his family, earns my respect.

I voted Leave in the EU referendum last year. Twenty years earlier I believed that we should be in the EU and reforming it to the way we want it. Unfortunately twenty years later the conclusion I reached was that the EU is an out of control bureaucracy incapable of reforming itself. Controlling our borders and managing who we let in to our country should be determined by the British government not by the EU. My vote to Leave was above all a vote to regain our independence from an increasingly corrupt and dictatorial EU regime that sooner or later is destined to fall apart.

Ok no probs, that was not my view at the time, but that issue is now resolved and we are leaving the EU, so I think we can draw a line under that.

I am aware that Theresa May campaigned to remain in the EU, but that she respects the decision of the British people to leave the EU and deliver upon that has made me respect her more.

As opposed to Jeremy Corbyn who was conflicted in his position to remain in the EU, but respects the decision of the British people to leave the EU and deliver upon that.

Those on the Left who are so twisted by their own dogma and hatred of their opponents need to take a good long hard look at themselves. To say that you cannot support any party other than Labour if you are a working person is complete nonsense.

Granted, a little bit of humility and acceptance as to why 'ordinary' blokes like you have decided to use your vote differently is required if we are to try to persuade you to reconsider. We are all in the same boat here, we're not enemies.

The Conservatives are going to win a big majority on 8th June and it will be ordinary working people - many of whom had always voted Labour in the past - who will deliver the landslide.

Probably right, but it will be ordinary working people that will be affected by the course of that action, sadly.

Corbyn could potentially lose 50% of his MPs but I doubt he will resign. The Left has annihilated the Labour Party and until or unless Corbyn goes the party will continue to wither away.

To be replaced by what/ who?

For every GE I have been able to vote I have heard the cliche 'it does n't make a difference who you vote for, they are all the same' well for the first time in my experience there is a real alternative, ask yourself honestly Sierra Oscar what real improvement in your life and your family's, who you work so hard to provide for, will a returned Conservative government offer?
What it comes down to is I don't trust Corbyn. It's fine and dandy him pledging billions upon billions of taxpayers money for every cause going, but nobody outside his circle of followers believes for one minute he can deliver.

The problem with Corbyn is he is good at being in the thick of any Leftist protest march or being seen shoulder to shoulder with terrorist mouthpieces. When it comes to being a credible potential Prime Minister he simply does not tick any of the boxes.

He has spent his entire political life voting against his party leadership. He is losing Labour voters by the MILLIONS and Labour MPs know this.

Theresa May and the Conservatives are the only viable option at this general election. Nobody suggests they are perfect or beyond criticism, but on balance I trust them to deliver Brexit and to manage the economy.
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Post by Godric »

Tman wrote:You're doing that nonsensical tartan ranting again... :cuppa
here is the facts facing Scotland and the so called tory darling Ruth Davidson the truth is she is vile and desperate to save the UK she is going down the route of sectarian bigotry standing shoulder to shoulder with the Orange Order and their bigoted followers ... and that is why she will fail like branding people IRA sympathisers ... just goes to show the ugly face of British unionism ... she is so desperate to block another referendum because she knows the NO side cannot win we have all the lies from the last time round and a Vow will not work 2nd time round

the other truth is Davidson and May wants to wipe Scotland off the map by removing Holyrood and make us a region like Yorkshire we will never accept this


she is a photo opportunist with banners backing stopping the bombing of Yemen when it is her government in London that is selling the bombs to Saudis to bomb Yemen ... photo shoot of her in a disability scooter a week after thousands were removed from those with disabilities and supports the rape clause
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the other truth is Davidson and May wants to wipe Scotland off the map by removing Holyrood and make us a region like Yorkshire we will never accept this
So where have Davidson and May ever even hinted at this?
It hasn't been on the table for the last few hundred years so why would it be planned now?
As I said, tartan rants.
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Post by stan_lers »

SierraOscarBravo wrote:What it comes down to is I don't trust Corbyn. It's fine and dandy him pledging billions upon billions of taxpayers money for every cause going, but nobody outside his circle of followers believes for one minute he can deliver.

The problem with Corbyn is he is good at being in the thick of any Leftist protest march or being seen shoulder to shoulder with terrorist mouthpieces. When it comes to being a credible potential Prime Minister he simply does not tick any of the boxes.

He has spent his entire political life voting against his party leadership. He is losing Labour voters by the MILLIONS and Labour MPs know this.

Theresa May and the Conservatives are the only viable option at this general election. Nobody suggests they are perfect or beyond criticism, but on balance I trust them to deliver Brexit and to manage the economy.
"Nobody outside of his circle of followers" - besides the IFS. All of his pledges are affordable and possible. We currently have the lowest corporation tax in the G7 - why would companies move abroad if we increased it when the other richest nations already charge more? All the cost of moving and they're still paying the same if not more tax? Whether you support what's in there or not, everything in their manifesto is 100% affordable, so that's not an argument.

Labour is currently as popular as it was under Miliband. That's not losing Labour voters by the millions. The Tory share has gone up because they've absorbed the UKIP vote. As for voting against his own party, sorry but that's plain wrong. You can see his entire voting record for the last 20 years here.

May has no policies and no principles other than authoritarianism and capitalism on steroids. She flips and turns on every issue depending on public opinion, and I have no idea how people see her as strong going into EU negotiations when she's made herself and the UK a laughing stock in the rest of the Europe. Don't forget either that while you say Corbyn has rubbed shoulders with terrorists, May was the first to meet Trump, inviting him on a state visit in return for giving US insurance giants access to the NHS, and has also been courting the likes of Saudi Arabia while they continue to commit genocide in Yemen.
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Post by Godric »

Tman wrote:
the other truth is Davidson and May wants to wipe Scotland off the map by removing Holyrood and make us a region like Yorkshire we will never accept this
So where have Davidson and May ever even hinted at this?
It hasn't been on the table for the last few hundred years so why would it be planned now?
As I said, tartan rants.
the Tories have made it clear from day 1 that they want rid of the Scottish parliament
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I've never seen any either like that or about that, but if you can post a reliable verifiable link I'd be happy to read it.
In the meantime, did you see oily Alex Salmond on TV recently?

"So Mr Salmond, you've mentioned Scottish Independence over 45 times in the last year in Holyrood, but can you tell me how many times you've brought up the failing Scottish educational system?"

Oily... "I don't have that information to hand"

"Then I'll tell you...not once, in the last year".

SNP, one trick ponies, and clearly bad for Scotland.
SierraOscarBravo
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Post by SierraOscarBravo »

stan_lers wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:What it comes down to is I don't trust Corbyn. It's fine and dandy him pledging billions upon billions of taxpayers money for every cause going, but nobody outside his circle of followers believes for one minute he can deliver.

The problem with Corbyn is he is good at being in the thick of any Leftist protest march or being seen shoulder to shoulder with terrorist mouthpieces. When it comes to being a credible potential Prime Minister he simply does not tick any of the boxes.

He has spent his entire political life voting against his party leadership. He is losing Labour voters by the MILLIONS and Labour MPs know this.

Theresa May and the Conservatives are the only viable option at this general election. Nobody suggests they are perfect or beyond criticism, but on balance I trust them to deliver Brexit and to manage the economy.
"Nobody outside of his circle of followers" - besides the IFS. All of his pledges are affordable and possible. We currently have the lowest corporation tax in the G7 - why would companies move abroad if we increased it when the other richest nations already charge more? All the cost of moving and they're still paying the same if not more tax? Whether you support what's in there or not, everything in their manifesto is 100% affordable, so that's not an argument.

Labour is currently as popular as it was under Miliband. That's not losing Labour voters by the millions. The Tory share has gone up because they've absorbed the UKIP vote. As for voting against his own party, sorry but that's plain wrong. You can see his entire voting record for the last 20 years here.

May has no policies and no principles other than authoritarianism and capitalism on steroids. She flips and turns on every issue depending on public opinion, and I have no idea how people see her as strong going into EU negotiations when she's made herself and the UK a laughing stock in the rest of the Europe. Don't forget either that while you say Corbyn has rubbed shoulders with terrorists, May was the first to meet Trump, inviting him on a state visit in return for giving US insurance giants access to the NHS, and has also been courting the likes of Saudi Arabia while they continue to commit genocide in Yemen.
Corbyn is unelectable. End of. You can argue all you want about the "merits" of the Labour manifesto ie. Tax, Spend and Borrow but the reality is Labour is losing votes in every part of the country and even the Labour heartlands have given up on Corbyn.

Any party that wants to govern MUST absolutely reach out beyond the core party supporters and build a coalition of support across the political spectrum. That is exactly what Theresa May is doing.

Corbyn on the other hand is offering a re hash of the failed 1983 manifesto famously described as the longest suicide note in history. If you put up taxes, spend and borrow like there is no tomorrow, there is only one outcome. You end up crashing the economy and hurting the poorest the most.
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Post by awesomepenguin »

SierraOscarBravo wrote:
stan_lers wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:What it comes down to is I don't trust Corbyn. It's fine and dandy him pledging billions upon billions of taxpayers money for every cause going, but nobody outside his circle of followers believes for one minute he can deliver.

The problem with Corbyn is he is good at being in the thick of any Leftist protest march or being seen shoulder to shoulder with terrorist mouthpieces. When it comes to being a credible potential Prime Minister he simply does not tick any of the boxes.

He has spent his entire political life voting against his party leadership. He is losing Labour voters by the MILLIONS and Labour MPs know this.

Theresa May and the Conservatives are the only viable option at this general election. Nobody suggests they are perfect or beyond criticism, but on balance I trust them to deliver Brexit and to manage the economy.
"Nobody outside of his circle of followers" - besides the IFS. All of his pledges are affordable and possible. We currently have the lowest corporation tax in the G7 - why would companies move abroad if we increased it when the other richest nations already charge more? All the cost of moving and they're still paying the same if not more tax? Whether you support what's in there or not, everything in their manifesto is 100% affordable, so that's not an argument.

Labour is currently as popular as it was under Miliband. That's not losing Labour voters by the millions. The Tory share has gone up because they've absorbed the UKIP vote. As for voting against his own party, sorry but that's plain wrong. You can see his entire voting record for the last 20 years here.

May has no policies and no principles other than authoritarianism and capitalism on steroids. She flips and turns on every issue depending on public opinion, and I have no idea how people see her as strong going into EU negotiations when she's made herself and the UK a laughing stock in the rest of the Europe. Don't forget either that while you say Corbyn has rubbed shoulders with terrorists, May was the first to meet Trump, inviting him on a state visit in return for giving US insurance giants access to the NHS, and has also been courting the likes of Saudi Arabia while they continue to commit genocide in Yemen.
Corbyn is unelectable. End of. You can argue all you want about the "merits" of the Labour manifesto ie. Tax, Spend and Borrow but the reality is Labour is losing votes in every part of the country and even the Labour heartlands have given up on Corbyn.

Any party that wants to govern MUST absolutely reach out beyond the core party supporters and build a coalition of support across the political spectrum. That is exactly what Theresa May is doing.

Corbyn on the other hand is offering a re hash of the failed 1983 manifesto famously described as the longest suicide note in history. If you put up taxes, spend and borrow like there is no tomorrow, there is only one outcome. You end up crashing the economy and hurting the poorest the most.
Agree 100%. You win an election by getting people to vote for you or your party. Jeremy Corbyn is not going to do that. The majority of people in this country do not connect with left wing political parties or left wing policies.
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Don't even think the re-nationalisation of royalmail even came into it but unless we sack all the managers it will not make any difference anyway!
stan_lers
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SierraOscarBravo wrote:Any party that wants to govern MUST absolutely reach out beyond the core party supporters and build a coalition of support across the political spectrum. That is exactly what Theresa May is doing.

Corbyn on the other hand is offering a re hash of the failed 1983 manifesto famously described as the longest suicide note in history. If you put up taxes, spend and borrow like there is no tomorrow, there is only one outcome. You end up crashing the economy and hurting the poorest the most.
Theresa May isn't actually doing anything, though. In isolation, she's no more electable than Corbyn. She has no policies, no backbone, no humanity, she's a pure populist and the only reason people see her positively and Corbyn (who has principles and, whatever you think of him, is only in politics because he genuinely wants to make a difference) is the media. People like strong and stable Theresa because they're told she's strong and stable, but they have literally no evidence to back that up, mainly because there isn't any.

Spending and borrowing is what creates growth and jobs, and it pays for itself because it's an investment. Whatever the Tories tell you, borrowing does not crash the economy, it's basic, 100% factual economics that you can't argue against. We've had 7 years of austerity and literally nothing to show for it, because Osborne was totally inept as a chancellor and because cutting your way out of a recession is completely insane.
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Corbyn (who has principles and, whatever you think of him, is only in politics because he genuinely wants to make a difference) is the media. People like strong and stable Theresa because they're told she's strong and stable, but they have literally no evidence to back that up, mainly because there isn't any.
So on June 9th when we all wake up to yet another Tory government, you and a couple of others on here will blame it all on the media and those who you feel have taken it all at face value and voted Tory.
It seems like you just don't understand that Corbyn hasn't just been portrayed as a useless ineffectual 1970s throwback, he actually is a useless ineffectual 1970s throwback.
Traditional Labour voters have always been seen as dumb sheep by the Tories, and "we" expect no better, but when Corbynites send out the same message then clearly something is very wrong.
Corbyn, Abbott, Seumas Milne, MacDonnell and Watson have no concept of life in 2017 or the what the Labour Party ought to be to regain power, and that's why exhortations from posters such as yourself just come across as patronising nonsense.
He can't even lead his own party, and thought of him trying to lead a country and negotiate Brexit fills me with absolute horror.
Easily the worst leader of the opposition (and Labour leader) ever.
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Worse than IDS and Michael Howard?

I wouldn't blame everything on the media, no, but when you have a handful of billionaires owning most of the media and printing outright lies that make one person look bad and another look good, then obviously there are questions.

May has shown she doesn't understand Brexit at all - she essentially thinks she can 'pretend' we've left and cut out all the negatives while keeping all the positives. Her own Brexit secretary has made massive gaffes about what's even possible. May has been courting Trump with the NHS as a bargaining chip. We've been to India and got a pathetic deal, we're in talks with Duterte - an actual lunatic. She's called people who want to remain traitors. She did nothing while the rule of law was under attack from the press. Our handling of Brexit has been a farce, and people think May, of all people, will give us the best shot in negotiations after all this? Tell me how the media isn't responsible for people perceiving this as a good start, while in reality we become a laughing stock outside of our little bubble.
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You're missing the point.
I know May is not all she appears to be and will never go down as any sort of successful PM, but I'm talking about the utterly dire state of the Labour Party in 2017 ( especially Corbyn) and how he/they are unelectable.
For someone like her and the Tories to be pulling in support from traditional Labour voters show how bad things have become.
Go on about billionaires and the media all you like, but all other potential Labour PM's have also battled with the same issues over the years but none have shot themselves in the foot (at every opportunity!) like this idiot has. You (and others) can't keep trotting out these same old cliche'd excuses for Corbyn's abysmal standing. It didn't work for Kinnock and it's very far from working now.
Far from being down to a hostile media, he condemns himself whenever he opens his mouth.
True labour would have ousted him long since as the electoral dead leg that he is. Shame on them all that they didn't.
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stan_lers wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:Any party that wants to govern MUST absolutely reach out beyond the core party supporters and build a coalition of support across the political spectrum. That is exactly what Theresa May is doing.

Corbyn on the other hand is offering a re hash of the failed 1983 manifesto famously described as the longest suicide note in history. If you put up taxes, spend and borrow like there is no tomorrow, there is only one outcome. You end up crashing the economy and hurting the poorest the most.
Theresa May isn't actually doing anything, though. In isolation, she's no more electable than Corbyn. She has no policies, no backbone, no humanity, she's a pure populist and the only reason people see her positively and Corbyn (who has principles and, whatever you think of him, is only in politics because he genuinely wants to make a difference) is the media. People like strong and stable Theresa because they're told she's strong and stable, but they have literally no evidence to back that up, mainly because there isn't any.

Spending and borrowing is what creates growth and jobs, and it pays for itself because it's an investment. Whatever the Tories tell you, borrowing does not crash the economy, it's basic, 100% factual economics that you can't argue against. We've had 7 years of austerity and literally nothing to show for it, because Osborne was totally inept as a chancellor and because cutting your way out of a recession is completely insane.
Corbyn is an out of control maverick left-winger whose entire career has been spent championing every leftist cause going whether it be campaigning to unilaterally disarm our Trident nuclear defence or being the sympathetic ear of Irish republican terrorist mouthpieces. The man is a complete joke who is neither fit to lead HM Opposition let alone lead the country.

You attack Theresa May and granted, she hasn't been Prime Minister for long, but I trust her to deliver Brexit and to get on with the job of running the country. I also share her passion for preserving the integrity of the United Kingdom and rejecting the scourge of Scottish nationalism.

Corbyn is just promising billions of taxpayers money here, there and everywhere. It's the old Labour Tax, Spend and Borrow doctrine that the electorate has rejected at every election for over 40 years. You don't fix the economy by clobbering the wealth creators and investors with higher taxes. You will simply force them to take their investments and with it thousands of jobs to other countries with more favourable tax regimes. You actually will decrease the overall tax yield by penalising success. As a country successive governments have spent and borrowed massively beyond our means and saddled future generations with eye watering levels of national debt. Our country needs more spending and borrowing as proposed by Corbyn like a hole in the head.

Corbyn is no saviour of the Labour Party. He is the worst possible candidate for the job. Ask yourself why Labour has only won 3 general elections in the last 40 years.

I will vote Conservative on 8th June having been a lifelong Labour voter.
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What does this graph say to you ? :-

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Tell you what it says to me - that this system is corrupt. That the market is rigged. That the media representation of the lives of ordinary people and the real options available to them is skewed and permeated by self serving vested interest and lies.

Wealth creators ? They buy RMG at £3 billion when its worth £5 billion - they extract half a billion a year from our feet on the street - then they try to extract more by slashing my pension and cutting my sick pay ?

Wealth creators you say ?

Greedy parasitic bastards would be closer to the mark, wouldn't you say ?
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