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[skull]

Nothing, but nothing, must stand in the way of the CWU/RM management f***ing-up your workplace, nothing.

RM have taken the 2010 agreement and perverted it for their own gains and it's back fired big style . A lot of people on these forums seem to think the CWU run RM and are blaiming the union unfairly . Just go to work do the hours you are paid for and let RM'S management sort the rest . The union are here to protect your working conditions and I just can't see reps advising members to work through their brakes and overtime must be worked etc etc . RM have f*cked this up not me , you or the CWU .

[fishtank]

RM have taken the 2010 agreement and perverted it for their own gains and it's back fired big style .

Yes...we know and a lot of members warned the CWU when the agreement was reached that it was too vague and that Royal Mail would simply use this to their advantage but we were told to "trust" our employer.

A lot of people on these forums seem to think the CWU run RM and are blaiming the union unfairly .

No...a lot of members feel that the union has moved closer to Royal Mail than we would like and lost track of it's raison d'être....it's members.

Just go to work do the hours you are paid for and let RM'S management sort the rest .

Fine...but that will leave a lot of members wondering about the £3....

The union are here to protect your working conditions

Yes they are...the question is are they succeeding?....jury's out...

and I just can't see reps advising members to work through their brakes and overtime must be worked etc etc .

Neither can i but judging it by this forum not enough of them are advising against either....

RM have f*cked this up not me , you or the CWU .

The blame game....this should be fun.

[skull]

With some off the anti CWU posts I sometimes think it's Magaret Thatcher bored at home and posting in disguise . RM management will soon be blaming everyone else now the weather has improved . The union aren;t to blame it's RM's senior management and whoever was the architect of that stupid computer programme that's thrown out these ridiculous work loads .

[fishtank]

The union aren;t to blame it's RM's senior management and whoever was the architect of that stupid computer programme that's thrown out these ridiculous work loads .

Do you mean the one the union agreed was fit for purpose after all of those live trials and months of negotiation?
Or is it the reps fault for screwing up the revision?....or the members fault for voting for it?

[skull]

The union aren;t to blame it's RM's senior management and whoever was the architect of that stupid computer programme that's thrown out these ridiculous work loads .

Do you mean the one the union agreed was fit for purpose after all of those live trials and months of negotiation?
Or is it the reps fault for screwing up the revision?....or the members fault for voting for it?

If this disaster of revision carries on in it's current form RM will collapse , of that I have no doubt . At senior management level heads will roll and it starts with the CEO . In Nothern Ireland the CEO of their water authority has stepped down , he was to blame for the weather and pipes leaking on private property so if Moya and co think they are immune their disillusioned . The buck stops with senior management full stop , with the benefit of hindsight it doesn't matter if the CWU members have sleep walked into a unworkable agreement .

[ANDY1979]

I think that the walks are around the size of three of the old walks made into two now, plus packets and specials come on royal mail we are not machines!. There are 8 loops on each fitting from the two in total i dont think they would be going far wrong if they took 2 loops of the driver and the passanger loops anyone lese think the same?

[daveyeff]

The union aren;t to blame it's RM's senior management and whoever was the architect of that stupid computer programme that's thrown out these ridiculous work loads .

Do you mean the one the union agreed was fit for purpose after all of those live trials and months of negotiation?
Or is it the reps fault for screwing up the revision?....or the members fault for voting for it?

tbh f/t, i dont think it WAS voted in. i think it was a massive NO vote, but ward and hayes somehow managed to 'fiddle' the votes to make it look like it was a yes. lets face it, no d.o, staff wouldve voted for this parcel of shyte, and theres more of us than the rest. just my opinion. conspiricy theories abound

[skull]

I think that the walks are around the size of three of the old walks made into two now, plus packets and specials come on royal mail we are not machines!. There are 8 loops on each fitting from the two in total i dont think they would be going far wrong if they took 2 loops of the driver and the passanger loops anyone lese think the same?

Spot on , 40 mins off each of our 2 P&L duties and the jobs a good one . We can work it out so why can't they , maybe because they would have to employ about another ten thousand staff . Me and my partner are delivering two days mail to one duty and doing the tracked , large packets and spercials on the other , what time we have left we usually get time to tackle 1-4 loops on the other duty . The next day we concentrate on the duty that didn't get all it's mail delivered . We have been flip flopping like this for 2 weeks now and at the worst the customer only misses one days mail , not perfect but the best we can do to keep mail moving . If this is the way we are going to work from now on it's not bad because you only cover about 3-4 mile .

[skull]

tbh f/t, i dont think it WAS voted in. i think it was a massive NO vote, but ward and hayes somehow managed to 'fiddle' the votes to make it look like it was a yes. lets face it, no d.o, staff wouldve voted for this parcel of shyte, and theres more of us than the rest. just my opinion. conspiricy theories abound [/quote]



Sad but this is how democracy works . The Tories are now carrying out some horrendous policies when nearly 70% of the uk didn't vote for them .

[Hitcher]

So has this 'email' been confirmed because our DOM hasn't seen it and he doesn't want the revision anyway.

[DirtyHarry]

Nothing, but nothing, must stand in the way of the CWU/RM management f***ing-up your workplace, nothing.

RM have taken the 2010 agreement and perverted it for their own gains and it's back fired big style .
A lot of people on these forums seem to think the CWU run RM and are blaiming the union unfairly . Just go to work do the hours you are paid for and let RM'S management sort the rest . The union are here to protect your working conditions and I just can't see reps advising members to work through their brakes and overtime must be worked etc etc . RM have f*cked this up not me , you or the CWU . [/quote]

Sorry, but I cannot, will not, absolve the CWU of any blame.
The way in which the CWU went about engineering a "YES" vote to one of the most appalling deals it has ever been the misfortune of postal workers to suffer, was disgraceful, simply disgraceful.
It should have been obvious to even the most blinkered of "career" trade unionists, that the appalling "2010 & Beyond" deal was an absolute winner to the most unusually, even for management, pig-ignorant bunch of boardroom wasters ever to infect Royal Mail, and the heaviest cross that postal workers, especially those of us in deliveries, have had to bear during this last tortuous decade.

We don't even have a decent finishing time of a Saturday anymore, I mean, come on, hardly asking for the world, was it? All it would have taken, would have been to make Royal Mail alter ever so slightly it's vindictive workplan, that's all.


Truth is, the CWU couldn't give a toss about it's members, and that is a great shame, it really is.

[dados]

where are the knobbers that voted YES cos of the money? was/is it worth it?
senior management browsing this forum must be wetting themselves with enjoyment,all the divide & conquer tactics have worked,any amount of excuses for the revision failures,& a few great examples of what to do to recify it (& hopefully they will take them on board)

'kin job is on its arse

[skull]

where are the knobbers that voted YES cos of the money? was/is it worth it?
senior management browsing this forum must be wetting themselves with enjoyment,all the divide & conquer tactics have worked,any amount of excuses for the revision failures,& a few great examples of what to do to recify it (& hopefully they will take them on board)

'kin job is on its arse

I think senior management have a lot more on their minds than this forum , that's if they have a conscience . Right now it wouldn't surprise me if they are working on the non-existant plan b . Plan b has to come unless they are comfortable and can get away with the universal service failing everyday .

Staff cutting off , not working overtime and taking their brakes ( work to rule )have virtually created an unofficial union of their own and the more people take this approach ( which is happening ) RM's senior management will have no option but to introduce an achievable way of working ( plan b ) . Our office managers know that revision has failed , up to a couple of week ago they were pulling more than their weight to keep the office clear but now they have thrown the towel in . The press seem to be really getting involved so something will have to give . It's going to take a while for RM's senior management to realise that the work force is not bringing modernisation down deliberately , how long that will be I don't now .

[scooby]

we had the planners for over a year now and still not done the walks we was ment to be a trile office but keap getting put back lol

[skull]

I don't know if any planners read these forums and this is just a suggestion but when you put the details in the computer to work out the size of our duties , should you have put 3.67 kilometres per hour instead of 3.67 mph . Everyone who has been involved in revision seems to have been incompetent so this might of been a slight technicality overlooked .