Can we afford a No vote?

[headscrewedon]

Should is not a word that guarantees it will and would have to be - WHY it doesn't say it has to be in the agreement and the words are the words and what the agreement will be implemented on - NOT shoulds and woulds and maybes.

Fair point, dvbuk

[slave]

It should lead to an increase in workload and jobs - very true, assuming RM attracts this increased workload. For anyone with a backwards mind - mail volumes are not increasing - as a postman of 15 or so years I can quite confidently say they are not, your walks are getting longer and you are delivering more heavy items, but things such as letters are not what they used to be (online banking, paper-free statements, get the picture?) thus attracting more work through D2D is sounds business sense.
I'll admit I would prefer to be paid per set but I can understand the angle RM is coming from with wishing to clump all 'mail' together.

If you find yourself with increased workload then there are a couple of options - work to your time or book overtime. Very simple really, shame people on here can't see this one. Don't forget you are losing 1 hour a week, so you will be doing what you are now, but with 1 hour a week less!

Whilst the no-camp out there insist D2D workload is included within work time now, the reality is much different, a significant number of people go out of there way to put items together prior to delivery, thus workload is not in work-time. They probably do this because they get paid extra, will they prep items if they are not getting paid? I don't think so. The extra time it takes to deliver items will also add further to workload.. Think about it carefully rather than sitting on your narrow minded views.

[Lincox]

Slave, you may have a point in respect of diminishing letters, but as you admit, the job is much heavier now, with increase in packets etc. It is however not narrow minded, to object to further increase in delivery items, when we are being asked to do this at a reduced cost to the employer. ie a cut in wages. You are well aware that there has been a huge reduction in delivery jobs over the last ten years, and those remaining have already picked up the extra work left from these redundancies, and yes there are more redundancies coming and we will be expected to do that work within our hours at no cost to the employer. I would suggest you take a look at your decision and see how narrow minded that is going to be.

[potters]

you've got to vote no.less money,longer delivery times,later delivery times.who wants to be out gone 3o'clock on a saturday.its about time the idiots who come up with this agreement [both sides]should take into account the people who keep this company alive,THE POSTMAN>its about time we came first

[slave]

,later delivery times.who wants to be out gone 3o'clock on a saturday.

If you read the agreement it says (off the top of my head 4pm for rural and 3 for towns - haven't got time to check right now) so the majority will not be working past 3 anyway, some won't be working past 2, some earlier still depending on the office. And of course this is assuming you agree locally to certain start times, delivery spans etc. Don't forget you will only have 39 hours to play with - our Saturday is 7hours, if they increase that days duty time then the time has to come from somewhere, considering we are losing 1 hour from the week I would be interested to see what they can come up with. Apart from 4x9h45m days I can't see any other way of making Saturday like the rest of the week as there isn't enough time to spread around..?

[DirtyHarry]

It should lead to an increase in workload and jobs - very true, assuming RM attracts this increased workload. For anyone with a backwards mind - mail volumes are not increasing - as a postman of 15 or so years I can quite confidently say they are not, your walks are getting longer and you are delivering more heavy items, but things such as letters are not what they used to be (online banking, paper-free statements, get the picture?) thus attracting more work through D2D is sounds business sense.
I'll admit I would prefer to be paid per set but I can understand the angle RM is coming from with wishing to clump all 'mail' together.

If you find yourself with increased workload then there are a couple of options - work to your time or book overtime. Very simple really, shame people on here can't see this one. Don't forget you are losing 1 hour a week, so you will be doing what you are now, but with 1 hour a week less!

Whilst the no-camp out there insist D2D workload is included within work time now, the reality is much different, a significant number of people go out of there way to put items together prior to delivery, thus workload is not in work-time. They probably do this because they get paid extra, will they prep items if they are not getting paid? I don't think so. The extra time it takes to deliver items will also add further to workload.. Think about it carefully rather than sitting on your narrow minded views.

The pathetic 1hr reduction in our slaving week, is to be introduced as follows:
30mins when 50% of DOs are in receipt of walk sequenced mail.
The other 30mins when 100% of DOs are in receipt of walk sequenced mail.

Whoopee dooo.