Reasons to vote yes!

[POSTMAN]

To the people saying D2D into workload is a good thing, do you not use the time you're currently allowed to prep 20% a day? And if not, why not?

You have mentioned this in another thread,prepping 20% is a lot easier than prepping 100% which when we have to do that gives us more job security.

Nonsense - there is no revision tool agreed and your prep rate has not increased to 100% by anything stated in this agreement - you may assume as much as you like but as in the 2007 agreement the ten ton truck is waiting in the wings to be driven straight through this so called deal.

If there are time/day sensitive D2D's then yes we will get revisions at 100% call rate!

No you won't - it will depend entirely on your traffic figure for the week - that one day will be 100% for that week but what about the following weeks and preceding weeks? Anyone who thinks it IS going to be 100% have a quiet word with a friendly DOM who may impart what HE has been told will be the call rate.

What,peggy is going to run different each week?

[clashcityrocker]

clashcityrocker could I ask what you understand as into workload.

I understand the figures will be counted in the office traffic.

[POSTMAN]

you may assume as much as you like but as in the 2007 agreement the ten ton truck is waiting in the wings to be driven straight through this so called deal.

The truck was run through because people let it run,some areas didn't see the truck at all.Time for people to stand up and get a back bone.

[welshy808]

clashcityrocker could I ask what you understand as into workload.

I understand the figures will be counted in the office traffic.

And that will make what difference?

This is a genuine question as I would like to know

[numan]

you may assume as much as you like but as in the 2007 agreement the ten ton truck is waiting in the wings to be driven straight through this so called deal.

The truck was run through because people let it run,some areas didn't see the truck at all.Time for people to stand up and get a back bone.

The pathway was clear due to the weasle words contained in the 2007 agreement, same as this one.

[dvbuk55]

No! Peggy won't be running at 100% and common sense should tell you that and why - because your prep will NORMALLY be at 20% per day over 4 days by and large, if you happen to be on a 4 day week there will be no difference over the long term roll over. As I have said before I wouldn't assume anything that is not in black and white - and even then I would be mighty dubious.

[POSTMAN]

clashcityrocker could I ask what you understand as into workload.

I understand the figures will be counted in the office traffic.

And that will make what difference?

This is a genuine question as I would like to know

Yes of course,more work means more resourses needed.

[dvbuk55]

you may assume as much as you like but as in the 2007 agreement the ten ton truck is waiting in the wings to be driven straight through this so called deal.

The truck was run through because people let it run,some areas didn't see the truck at all.Time for people to stand up and get a back bone.

Yes of course! I'd forgotten how weak we are and how weak others are going to be when this agreement sees the light of day - there will be no place to hide this time. TBH if I was in your shoes I wouldn't ever want to see this deal agreed.

[welshy808]

clashcityrocker could I ask what you understand as into workload.

I understand the figures will be counted in the office traffic.

And that will make what difference?

This is a genuine question as I would like to know

Yes of course,more work means more resourses needed.

More work = More resources needed
RM savings = More resources unavailable

call me cynical but thats how I feel about it and the wording in this agreement does nothing to change my mind.

[midvillain]

the chance of the four day week, and the park and loop for me. but i'm reserving judgement til i get more information.


surely if they have a bunch of d2ds that have been paid for to go out on a specific day, then they must set the call rates at 100%, otherwise inevitably some of them will fail, so in other words they can't accept these contracts.

then again, i think it said somewhere about delivery spans being based on the amount of traffic, which makes sense, as i have two walks on my float, one of which i always complete in my time, the other i always go over, sometimes by an hour or more, purely because of the difference in the amount of gear they get.

umm... had a point about call rates in there somewhere, but i've forgotten it. sorry

[Yahoorsur]

Ok hold tight
Now i still have not had the chance to go through the agreement properly,baring in mind there could possibly be 2-3 weeks before we vote,i am going to have a good read of it.
I fully understand where a lot of you are coming from in the threads,and i have gleaned a lot of info from them.

But there are 'yes' (although i am neither yes or no at the mo)voters on here,some have voted in the poll and i think it would be interesting to see what their reason are.
We know why people will vote no,so lets find out why some of you would vote yes.

Everybody on the board is entitled to have their say without it kicking off,read the rules please guys.
Also any yes voters feel free to PM me,or email me,using the contact form HERE if you wish.

EDIT:Forgot to mention,i will try and use the comments as an article for the front page.
Both sides of the fence will get their air time.

Ok
Private cars on delivery -Banned
Joint Workshops to determine and communicate work measurement and performance standards and the agreement of the revision tools which is another issue which was at the heart of the dispute.

cant think of much more,a lot of wooly cuddly language,to be honest Im at a loss to see where we, as delivery staff go from here, ,and I dont think we can get much more if anything, from another round of strikes,and before any one jumps in,I've been out on unofficial and official,on the picket lines every time over the last 20 years,and Ive never been found wanting when it comes to backing my mates,both here and down South,but im really well pissed off with how we have been treated,There are winners and losers in any agreement and we are the losers in this one.

[kendo1]

This is what it says about deliveries
Delivery spans will be a key component of delivery duty structures and a pragmatic and flexible approach

I think I know what it means= no CUT OFFS !

[bexhil palace]

Was considering this very thing this morning.

Conclusion was to vote yes on the basis that I truly feel our gallant bullies will not offer us a single penny more whether we strike or not.

Because of the time taken to reach this agreement I very much doubt there would be as many willing to walk out & strike again & if it was a poor showing this would play into the hands of our gallant masters who may even reduce their current offers.

To strike would lead to a public backlash thanks to those wonderful weasels in the media painting such an unbiased wonderful picture of this massive bonus & pay rise we are to receive.

We take it on the chin, do the job as they now want us to do & then sit back & watch it go tits up because they will be greedy as always & cut hours in the offices too far back, the machines will not be as marvellous as predicted, they will get money hungry with over subscriptions to D2D`s & leave themselves wide open to mass cut off`s because there will not be enough Royal Mail hours in the day to do the job correctly.

Play them at their own game for once & stop with the knee jerk reactions we normally resort to, once the public become aware of the systematic failures happening because all this modernisation was not needed & just a typical Crozier blinkered money in my own pocket venture heads will be called upon to roll both in the company & government.

I couldn't agree more,what ever RM bring in regarding Transformation sit back and enjoy the ride.
Anyone in a delivery office will know that the job has already been cut to the bone,and runs on the good will(or idiosy of the runners)of the posties.
Unlimited D2D's lovely bring it on.Walk sequencing nice can't wait,any other far reaching ideas the brain trust want to implement be my guest,come my finishing time it's coming back.

Loose the battle win the war.

[realmichael]

the best bit for me was the "reward" section!!!!!!!

it must be the first time a "reward" has amounted to a pay cut

[smokerjim]

This is what it says about deliveries
Delivery spans will be a key component of delivery duty structures and a pragmatic and flexible approach

I think I know what it means= no CUT OFFS !

If you are paid 8hrs a day, yet your duty will take longer than 8 hours to complete, are you to be compelled to work over your time? If a manager suggests that, make sure he does it in front of witnesses, or refuse to do so until he gives you that instruction in writing ( an ET would love him for it )