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[TrueBlueTerrier]

At the risk of getting shot down in a hail of abuse, could someone please explain to me why coming in early makes any difference to RM...or anyone else for that matter? I've spent a while trying to figure this out and have yet to reach a rational conclusion.

If I, hypothetically speaking, come in 1 hour early so that I'm done at midday instead of my finish time of 1pm, why does that matter to RM and why is it not counted towards OT if I go beyond midday? I've still worked the same amount of hours. Just because those hours started before my start time doesn't make those hours of any less value. AND customers are getting their mail earlier...not that RM could care less about that obviously.

In the interest of giving the bigger picture, I would happily do the job 'properly' if everyone else did but the chances of that are pretty remote it would seem. On a more general point, why does the CWU not just suggest everyone stops doing OT and working their days off? Nobody would lose any basic pay and our office for one would be on it's arse straight away.

I will be voting 'YES' by the way.

The problem is that under phase 3 all officers should be working all paid hours. Now if your DOM is not one who says "Well we see people going home 1 and 2 hours early, so you can lapse " your lucky. As soon as they start this then start at the contracted time.

The problem is also made worse if you come in early when lapsing as this hides any problems with overunning deliveries but hey ho ultimately its your own choice but not one I would recommend in the long run.

[krussel]

At the risk of getting shot down in a hail of abuse, could someone please explain to me why coming in early makes any difference to RM...or anyone else for that matter? I've spent a while trying to figure this out and have yet to reach a rational conclusion.

If I, hypothetically speaking, come in 1 hour early so that I'm done at midday instead of my finish time of 1pm, why does that matter to RM and why is it not counted towards OT if I go beyond midday? I've still worked the same amount of hours. Just because those hours started before my start time doesn't make those hours of any less value. AND customers are getting their mail earlier...not that RM could care less about that obviously.

In the interest of giving the bigger picture, I would happily do the job 'properly' if everyone else did but the chances of that are pretty remote it would seem. On a more general point, why does the CWU not just suggest everyone stops doing OT and working their days off? Nobody would lose any basic pay and our office for one would be on it's arse straight away.

I will be voting 'YES' by the way.

There are plenty of long term reasons but its not helping your mates either.

Trouble is you are going to be making it hard for anyone who covers your delivery whilst you are on hols or sick etc. If some poor soul comes in at the right starting time to cover your walk he will finish at least an hour later, which if you finish around 12 noon, will prob take him over his time. This will put a lot of pressure and stress upon him to finish the duty and all the manager will say "if s6 stroller can do it why cant you". "you must be too slow"
I know this as a while ago i covered a walk for 2wks where the guy came in 45 min early. I ended up wound up and stressed trying to catch up and breaking off most days, a real nightmare.

Also in the not too distant futre if you come back an hour early they will not take into account your starting time and give you more work

[bandit650]

Thing is if you come in early then it give a false picture to what is happening,we had a simlar situation going on in our office staff coming in all over the place they would come in rush aboutt and go home then you would have the rest who would come in at the right time but if they were covering walks then could not compleat then they would get the grief.

[S6 Stroller]

Cheers for the replies chaps and thanks for not having a pop I see where you're all coming from, however, it just seems to me that management at RM use this to their advantage when a true picture could easily be shown by monitoring when people come in and taking that into account if someone covering is leaving or finishing later . Pretty straightforward stuff this.

Is it only me who thinks that the management generally at RM is, at best, amateur and at worst, wholly biased against the people they are supposed to be managing?

[dvbuk55]

Cheers for the replies chaps and thanks for not having a pop I see where you're all coming from, however, it just seems to me that management at RM use this to their advantage when a true picture could easily be shown by monitoring when people come in and taking that into account if someone covering is leaving or finishing later . Pretty straightforward stuff this.

Is it only me who thinks that the management generally at RM is, at best, amateur and at worst, wholly biased against the people they are supposed to be managing?

No it's not only you - at a rough guess I'd say there was another 130,000 with the same opinion

[flaminmoses]

if you were running a company and potentially had to make 30,000 redundant (guestimate)what would you do ?pay them redundancy or try every trick in the book to get them leave on their own accord.(some will obviously need managerial help)a penny saved is more pounds for the bonus.

let them try the old tricks

i will take the 20k plus at the tribunal and then launch a personal clainm against the manager in question if he isnt sacked