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OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

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cyclemech1
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Re: OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

Post by cyclemech1 »

dingo wrote:Whilst I generally agree with some of your points, your main point is confusing as the one of the major issues is that based on a model week there will be times when you have to flex up as well as flex down.

Now all equipment should be provided and used.

As for taking your meal relief I agree, however people not taking their meal relief is something which has happened for decades and does not prove a revison is not working unless someone is being forced to forgo their meal relief.

Similar to those who choose to come in early , how can a union stop this , we have been trying for decades. Now people coming in early will have an impact on their future job targets , Royal Mail are going to relaunch the upper decile in a big way and want to increase producitivity further using this measure.

Agreed no work should be culled and if it is then it would suggest the revison is not working.

Doingnthe revison as the loops are planned should be the measure but we know people design their walks to suit theirselves and their frames. however I would agree that CDVs should not mean treating the loops as two different walks.

I agree on the speeding etc and have seen too many recent dismissal cases where a van has been left running.

Like I said the test on whether a revison is failing should be is the USO being achieved or not. In addition are people being bullied to work at unagreed standards or work beyond their time for no overtime.

if the revison cannot meet the hours management wanted then we should as a local union ask for an increase in the hours under the PIR and use the IR framework if management wont listen.

Out of all these failing revisons , it's intresting not one have requested an industrial action ballot why ? I would suggest that some members enjoy the extra overtime such a chaos revison brings.
Whats that then ?? :confused
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Post by fishtank »

cyclemech1 wrote:
dingo wrote:relaunch the upper decile
Whats that then ?? :confused
As far as i can make out the upper decile will be the top 10% of offices based on some kind of performance measure.
This will then be used as a benchmark or target for "under-performing offices".
Obviously because it's an aspirational target based on the performance of the top 10% that target will continue to move away from you.
Picture running for a bus and just as you get there it drives away and stops 100 yards down the road so off you run again and just when you get there......

There are many questions still to be answered like but not limited to...

Will similar types of offices be grouped together or will we all be lumped in one pot?

Will it be based purely on EP/Unit Cost or will QofS results be included?

What about external influences like weather,geography and geographical supplements like London Weighting which obviously drive up the cost per item?

Will offices employing bad practices be excluded from the measurement pool?

And of course the most important question of all...can we trust Royal Mail managers who in my experience have consistently lied about office performance for at least 20 years to fess up and admit that their offices aren't quite what they seem?

Of course the real question is what the union's position will be regarding a system that can bring no benefits to members only more harassment and greater job insecurity.
I suspect the position will have the words "joint" and "statement" in there somewhere. :cuppa
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dvbuk55
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Post by dvbuk55 »

Will there also be a little tugging and a "thankee Ma'am" in there somewhere?
SpacePhoenix
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Post by SpacePhoenix »

My gut feeling is that once Autumn pressure kicks in later in the year, the list will get longer very quickly
Martin Walsh
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Post by Martin Walsh »

Fish I think some of us think the upper decile is the line in the sand that we don't cross. The problem is will everyone hold the line ? And will HQ also organise the opposition. The problem with lines in the sands like no savings and no agreement to Pegasus is too many offices don't hold the line cause it's takes guts and hard Work and courage to hold the line. it's a lot easier for offices to turn a blind eye and then blame everyone else.

Markmy words the upper decile is the next big strategy for the business next year.
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Post by dvbuk55 »

Is there a plan to deal with the upper decile strategy? If only some think that is the line in the sand, what do the union movers and shakers think? I can certainly see why some would be against any improvement particularly if they happen to fall in the lowest decile. In reality though isn't WCM just another strategy for improvement by everyone across the board by whatever decile happens to be the flavour of the month.
Glenno
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Post by Glenno »

dingo wrote:Fish I think some of us think the upper decile is the line in the sand that we don't cross. The problem is will everyone hold the line ? And will HQ also organise the opposition. The problem with lines in the sands like no savings and no agreement to Pegasus is too many offices don't hold the line cause it's takes guts and hard Work and courage to hold the line. it's a lot easier for offices to turn a blind eye and then blame everyone else.

Mark my words the upper decile is the next big strategy for the business next year.


But won't we be sold off by next year Dingo? :wave :wave
bandit650
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Post by bandit650 »

Glenno do you think anyone would want to buy us? :shock:
cyclemech1
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Re: OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

Post by cyclemech1 »

fishtank wrote:
cyclemech1 wrote:
dingo wrote:relaunch the upper decile
Whats that then ?? :confused
As far as i can make out the upper decile will be the top 10% of offices based on some kind of performance measure.
This will then be used as a benchmark or target for "under-performing offices".
Obviously because it's an aspirational target based on the performance of the top 10% that target will continue to move away from you.
Picture running for a bus and just as you get there it drives away and stops 100 yards down the road so off you run again and just when you get there......

There are many questions still to be answered like but not limited to...

Will similar types of offices be grouped together or will we all be lumped in one pot?

Will it be based purely on EP/Unit Cost or will QofS results be included?

What about external influences like weather,geography and geographical supplements like London Weighting which obviously drive up the cost per item?

Will offices employing bad practices be excluded from the measurement pool?

And of course the most important question of all...can we trust Royal Mail managers who in my experience have consistently lied about office performance for at least 20 years to fess up and admit that their offices aren't quite what they seem?

Of course the real question is what the union's position will be regarding a system that can bring no benefits to members only more harassment and greater job insecurity.
I suspect the position will have the words "joint" and "statement" in there somewhere. :cuppa
Cheers FT, now I understand .... I think. :hmmmm
Glenno
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Post by Glenno »

me thinks a flotation is right up there just like B T :wave :wave
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Post by Martin Walsh »

Glenno wrote:me thinks a flotation is right up there just like B T :wave :wave
The Government has to obtain the most it can from any sell off ! To get the most money the credit rating of Royal Mail has to improve following years of a negative cash flow and of course the pension deficit.

It is expected that the rating will not have improved until at the earliest 2014. However as most people will know we are now in a double dip recession and the type of BT sell off was done in a totally different financial climate. of course the world is also not in a good place.
fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

dingo wrote: The Government has to obtain the most it can from any sell off ! To get the most money the credit rating of Royal Mail has to improve following years of a negative cash flow and of course the pension deficit.

It is expected that the rating will not have improved until at the earliest 2014. However as most people will know we are now in a double dip recession and the type of BT sell off was done in a totally different financial climate. of course the world is also not in a good place.
The forecast for the economy and the markets in the short to medium term is not good,obviously the sensible solution would be to shelve all plans for a sell off for at least 5 years but isn't there a danger that will leave the likes of GLS and Parcelforce vulnerable to a piecemeal break up and sell policy just so the Government can appease both it's backbenchers and the EU who may want to revisit the state aid issue if it doesn't look like RM will be sold.
At the end of the day all pro-sale parties agreed that an injection of private capital was vital to the future of Royal Mail,there will certainly be no more forthcoming from this Government.

Some kind of sell off is sadly almost inevitable in 2014 with perhaps the only possible saviour coming from Scotland,a solid pro-independence vote in the referendum would certainly leave a lot of questions over the sustainability of the USO north of the border and exactly who will be responsible for paying for it,possibly enough questions to delay any sale into 2015 and election year.
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scoobydo79
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Post by scoobydo79 »

Should Waterlooville be included on the list ?:hmmmm
surreymonkey
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Post by surreymonkey »

Could you clarify Scooby. Are you saying that Waterlooville SHOULD be on the list or querying the fact that it is ie PO7 PO8.
scoobydo79
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Post by scoobydo79 »

ive heard it should be BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!