How to get lots of free hours!!

[daveyeff]

managers are piss takers as well. its a vicious circle that goes on.

[Dantheunit]

Reading these comments highlights the devided worldvwevworknin within Royal Mail,does anybody back anybody anymore in an attempt to get things done fairly? Yes we are all different,different ages,different ways of working,and the job of the union rep is somewhat of a poison challace,yes do the job as it should be done,but the overtime scandal continues to roll on as and when it suits this company,we never see overtime,see a load of figures on some chart,which means nothing to me,as regard lapsing,do the ours your paid then see what you can or want to do extra for a few quid,I have more than enough to do on my round,and seeing guys have gone home some hour and half before there time is nothing new,they are quick and have smaller rounds I guess???,it is what it is,and have more important issues to deal with than who goes home when,consistentcy within management would help but that's asking too much I guess? Anyway enough of me moaning on,enjoy the Easter break my friends.

I wouldn't say it's 'divided' as such, more like the fact there are 2 kinds of posties.

1. RUNNER - Pros:
The first will realize that by having no/short breaks and walking quick or starburstng with a like-minded colleague that they can either finish early, or finish early and get easy docket at a fixed rate. They soon cotton on to the fact their youth and/or physical state allows them to work like this reliably and thus this becomes their particular niche. Some may do it simply to reduce the time spent there (like I personally did) or some in order to earn more cash by part-ghosting docket. Popular with managers and reserves who like less stress and early finishes.
Cons:
Likely to grizzle like hell at any minor inconvenience that threatens to add 25 seconds to their getting out of the office, not too happy getting paired with inexperienced reserves, kick-off to managers about lapsing because it's Wednesday and that means they will start their docket 1 hour before finishing time rather than the usual 1.5 hours. Likely to demand own van if paired with one of the other type of OPGs described below. Has trouble understanding that their actions encourage managers to pick on slower people and compare the two. Often keen on pastries and betting.

2. WORK TO TIMER:

Pros:
Does things by the book, relaxed and generally good-humoured. Readily informs manager that lapsing will or will not be done in time, or if delivery could exceed hours. Seldom gets arguments about doorstepping or 739's written too hastily etc.

Cons:
Leaves colleague twiddling thumbs when bundled and ready to go while has yet another coffee, depressing when everyone else has left. No time spare for contingencies like traffic problems, often day is doomed as soon as you leave if you need to get to school etc. Totally self-centred, won't help if you need to get back for a reason. Often walks like a crippled ostrich under sedation. Will leave you standing by the van for 15 minutes after each loop, especially when raining. Likely to have generally given up on life. There will be a good few of the RUNNER category who will refuse to be paired with him/her. Will always make sure even minimal work expands to fill the time allowed. Has trouble understanding that if every OPG worked like them that the office would fail due to inefficiency and lack of absorption plus docket necessary to clear DO each day would not be done. Often spends 15 minutes arguing with manager in order to not take out 10 minutes lapsing while you roll your eyes in the background.

Take your pick. Like most people I worked with, I preferred being paired with the former than the latter.

You're incorrect the above statment is full misinformation, bias and false presumptions...

Let me just say before I disect your BULLSHIT, the common deneominator between alot of issues on this forum is that management chase savings that can't be made if you do the job properly. Thier main concern isn't your health and safety, your working conditions or fairness, ultimately whether at delivery office level or further up the hierarchy thier primary objective is to maintain the framework and deliver the best possible returns to the shareholders . The difference between us and say the guy working at Yodel is we have a Union to protect our pay, pension and create parameters for people to work within so they can protect thier job and complete thier duties at the same time.

Also you don't get your Royal Mail Pension until age 65 and depending on age state pension until 65-70 the job isn't supposed to be extremely physical in fact once upon a time it was referred to as a "job for life", no one is going to be running round thier duty like Carl Lewis in thier sixties, and more importantly you won't make it to your sixties running around your duty like Carl Lewis.

1. "The first will realize that by having no/short breaks and walking quick or starburstng with a like-minded colleague that they can either finish early, or finish early and get easy docket at a fixed rate."

Incase you haven't noticed Royal Mail want people to work all of thier hours, and are trying to eliminate "ghost overtime" and fixed rate docket instead paying you only for the hours worked. By not taking breaks and running you encourage management to understaff the office and absorb vacant duties, you also give them the mandate to revise the office and condense duties making them heavier and reduce the number of fixed duties available to be signed for. You increase the likelyhood of injury, stress and fatigue and reduce the hours and jobs available to the office because the managment will resource the office to run on a skeleton framework. You weaken the unions position to defend our a paid break under the way forward agreement when you don't take yours, and by rushing you cut up the job ultimately making your early finish not so early and easy docket not so easy.

2. "They soon cotton on to the fact their youth and/or physical state allows them to work like this reliably and thus this becomes their particular niche"

Most people who have been in the job a while have seen a few runners injure themselves and be deemed unfit to continue by management . I read on a CWU H&S document that Royal Mail employs 0.8% of the UK workforce but accounts for 10% of the musculoskeletal injuries in the U.K. Ultimately if you can do all your job properly and finish before your time everyone works at different speeds. But from my expierience they usually cut corners Doorstepping, not filling out P739's not completing D2d's, not securing thier trolley or completing vehicle checks basically delivering a sub-par service to customers, which you may get away with for months or in many case years but it only takes one visit from the IB or one spot check, or one case of willfull delay and you risk losing your job for good .

3. "Some may do it simply to reduce the time spent there (like I personally did)"
Believe it or not there are some posties who like thier job. It's not that we don't want to go home early, it's that time passes by quicker when you have a bit of banter with your workmates, and take a paid break to put your feet up and enjoy a BLT .

4. "Popular with managers and reserves who like less stress and early finishes"
I don't think the word popular is appriate here , It's pragmatic to keep a camel hydrated, "less stress" but I thought the Work to Timer's were "relaxed and generally good-humoured" make up your mind .

5. "Likely to grizzle like hell at any minor inconvenience that threatens to add 25 seconds to their getting out of the office, not too happy getting paired with inexperienced reserves, kick-off to managers about lapsing because it's Wednesday and that means they will start their docket 1 hour before finishing time rather than the usual 1.5 hours. Likely to demand own van if paired with one of the other type of OPGs described below"

Yep you proved your point! the reserves who like like "less stress" are probably queing around the office to be paired with them .

6. "Has trouble understanding that their actions encourage managers to pick on slower people and compare the two"
Or do management have trouble understanding that when you work at a sensible pace it can't be done?

7."Often keen on pastries and betting"

HI-LA-RI-OU-S


8. "Leaves colleague twiddling thumbs when bundled and ready to go while has yet another coffee, depressing when everyone else has left. No time spare for contingencies like traffic problems, often day is doomed as soon as you leave if you need to get to school etc. Totally self-centred, won't help if you need to get back for a reason"

You need to add 'doesn't understand the concept of 'start time' and 'finish time' to your list about runners".

9. "There will be a good few of the RUNNER category who will refuse to be paired with him/her"



10. "Has trouble understanding that if every OPG worked like them that the office would fail due to inefficiency and lack of absorption plus docket necessary to clear DO each day would not be done"

Or that there would cease to be absorption and the management would have to increase the hours of contracts and hire more staff to ensure all duties were coveredin order to lear the DO.

Often spends 15 minutes arguing with manager in order to not take out 10 minutes lapsing while you roll your eyes in the background.

translation: has balls and principles

The bottom line is job and finish is done. Everyone wants to finish early, hell 20 years ago Steven Hawking could have had an early finish at Royal Mail. The work to timers have the moral high ground in pretty much every instance, and also ask any CWU representative which they prefer. The runners are politically naive, And are FAR more likely to cross the picket from my expierience. BUt the one thing I can't stand is PT'ers who come in early for free then complain about not having enough contract hours.

[bustedflush]

Reading these comments highlights the devided worldvwevworknin within Royal Mail,does anybody back anybody anymore in an attempt to get things done fairly? Yes we are all different,different ages,different ways of working,and the job of the union rep is somewhat of a poison challace,yes do the job as it should be done,but the overtime scandal continues to roll on as and when it suits this company,we never see overtime,see a load of figures on some chart,which means nothing to me,as regard lapsing,do the ours your paid then see what you can or want to do extra for a few quid,I have more than enough to do on my round,and seeing guys have gone home some hour and half before there time is nothing new,they are quick and have smaller rounds I guess???,it is what it is,and have more important issues to deal with than who goes home when,consistentcy within management would help but that's asking too much I guess? Anyway enough of me moaning on,enjoy the Easter break my friends.

I wouldn't say it's 'divided' as such, more like the fact there are 2 kinds of posties.

1. RUNNER - Pros:
The first will realize that by having no/short breaks and walking quick or starburstng with a like-minded colleague that they can either finish early, or finish early and get easy docket at a fixed rate. They soon cotton on to the fact their youth and/or physical state allows them to work like this reliably and thus this becomes their particular niche. Some may do it simply to reduce the time spent there (like I personally did) or some in order to earn more cash by part-ghosting docket. Popular with managers and reserves who like less stress and early finishes.
Cons:
Likely to grizzle like hell at any minor inconvenience that threatens to add 25 seconds to their getting out of the office, not too happy getting paired with inexperienced reserves, kick-off to managers about lapsing because it's Wednesday and that means they will start their docket 1 hour before finishing time rather than the usual 1.5 hours. Likely to demand own van if paired with one of the other type of OPGs described below. Has trouble understanding that their actions encourage managers to pick on slower people and compare the two. Often keen on pastries and betting.

2. WORK TO TIMER:

Pros:
Does things by the book, relaxed and generally good-humoured. Readily informs manager that lapsing will or will not be done in time, or if delivery could exceed hours. Seldom gets arguments about doorstepping or 739's written too hastily etc.

Cons:
Leaves colleague twiddling thumbs when bundled and ready to go while has yet another coffee, depressing when everyone else has left. No time spare for contingencies like traffic problems, often day is doomed as soon as you leave if you need to get to school etc. Totally self-centred, won't help if you need to get back for a reason. Often walks like a crippled ostrich under sedation. Will leave you standing by the van for 15 minutes after each loop, especially when raining. Likely to have generally given up on life. There will be a good few of the RUNNER category who will refuse to be paired with him/her. Will always make sure even minimal work expands to fill the time allowed. Has trouble understanding that if every OPG worked like them that the office would fail due to inefficiency and lack of absorption plus docket necessary to clear DO each day would not be done. Often spends 15 minutes arguing with manager in order to not take out 10 minutes lapsing while you roll your eyes in the background.

Take your pick. Like most people I worked with, I preferred being paired with the former than the latter.

You're incorrect the above statment is full misinformation, bias and false presumptions...

Let me just say before I disect your BULLSHIT, the common deneominator between alot of issues on this forum is that management chase savings that can't be made if you do the job properly. Thier main concern isn't your health and safety, your working conditions or fairness, ultimately whether at delivery office level or further up the hierarchy thier primary objective is to maintain the framework and deliver the best possible returns to the shareholders . The difference between us and say the guy working at Yodel is we have a Union to protect our pay, pension and create parameters for people to work within so they can protect thier job and complete thier duties at the same time.

Also you don't get your Royal Mail Pension until age 65 and depending on age state pension until 65-70 the job isn't supposed to be extremely physical in fact once upon a time it was referred to as a "job for life", no one is going to be running round thier duty like Carl Lewis in thier sixties, and more importantly you won't make it to your sixties running around your duty like Carl Lewis.

1. "The first will realize that by having no/short breaks and walking quick or starburstng with a like-minded colleague that they can either finish early, or finish early and get easy docket at a fixed rate."

Incase you haven't noticed Royal Mail want people to work all of thier hours, and are trying to eliminate "ghost overtime" and fixed rate docket instead paying you only for the hours worked. By not taking breaks and running you encourage management to understaff the office and absorb vacant duties, you also give them the mandate to revise the office and condense duties making them heavier and reduce the number of fixed duties available to be signed for. You increase the likelyhood of injury, stress and fatigue and reduce the hours and jobs available to the office because the managment will resource the office to run on a skeleton framework. You weaken the unions position to defend our a paid break under the way forward agreement when you don't take yours, and by rushing you cut up the job ultimately making your early finish not so early and easy docket not so easy.

2. "They soon cotton on to the fact their youth and/or physical state allows them to work like this reliably and thus this becomes their particular niche"

Most people who have been in the job a while have seen a few runners injure themselves and be deemed unfit to continue by management . I read on a CWU H&S document that Royal Mail employs 0.8% of the UK workforce but accounts for 10% of the musculoskeletal injuries in the U.K. Ultimately if you can do all your job properly and finish before your time everyone works at different speeds. But from my expierience they usually cut corners Doorstepping, not filling out P739's not completing D2d's, not securing thier trolley or completing vehicle checks basically delivering a sub-par service to customers, which you may get away with for months or in many case years but it only takes one visit from the IB or one spot check, or one case of willfull delay and you risk losing your job for good .

3. "Some may do it simply to reduce the time spent there (like I personally did)"
Believe it or not there are some posties who like thier job. It's not that we don't want to go home early, it's that time passes by quicker when you have a bit of banter with your workmates, and take a paid break to put your feet up and enjoy a BLT .

4. "Popular with managers and reserves who like less stress and early finishes"
I don't think the word popular is appriate here , It's pragmatic to keep a camel hydrated, "less stress" but I thought the Work to Timer's were "relaxed and generally good-humoured" make up your mind .

5. "Likely to grizzle like hell at any minor inconvenience that threatens to add 25 seconds to their getting out of the office, not too happy getting paired with inexperienced reserves, kick-off to managers about lapsing because it's Wednesday and that means they will start their docket 1 hour before finishing time rather than the usual 1.5 hours. Likely to demand own van if paired with one of the other type of OPGs described below"

Yep you proved your point! the reserves who like like "less stress" are probably queing around the office to be paired with them .

6. "Has trouble understanding that their actions encourage managers to pick on slower people and compare the two"
Or do management have trouble understanding that when you work at a sensible pace it can't be done?

7."Often keen on pastries and betting"

HI-LA-RI-OU-S


8. "Leaves colleague twiddling thumbs when bundled and ready to go while has yet another coffee, depressing when everyone else has left. No time spare for contingencies like traffic problems, often day is doomed as soon as you leave if you need to get to school etc. Totally self-centred, won't help if you need to get back for a reason"

You need to add 'doesn't understand the concept of 'start time' and 'finish time' to your list about runners".

9. "There will be a good few of the RUNNER category who will refuse to be paired with him/her"



10. "Has trouble understanding that if every OPG worked like them that the office would fail due to inefficiency and lack of absorption plus docket necessary to clear DO each day would not be done"

Or that there would cease to be absorption and the management would have to increase the hours of contracts and hire more staff to ensure all duties were coveredin order to lear the DO.

Often spends 15 minutes arguing with manager in order to not take out 10 minutes lapsing while you roll your eyes in the background.

translation: has balls and principles

The bottom line is job and finish is done. Everyone wants to finish early, hell 20 years ago Steven Hawking could have had an early finish at Royal Mail. The work to timers have the moral high ground in pretty much every instance, and also ask any CWU representative which they prefer. The runners are politically naive, And are FAR more likely to cross the picket from my expierience. BUt the one thing I can't stand is PT'ers who come in early for free then complain about not having enough contract hours.

Tut-tut