Would you vote for strike action?

kingeric · Post by **kingeric** » 18 Jan 2017, 21:54

k979aaa wrote:All out one week overtime ban work to rule and the Crucifixion of the traitors of the for-mentioned should do it.

That impacts on certain sections of the workforce more than others though, yet this overtime ban nonsense keeps getting mentioned.

If everyone strikes everyone is losing pay. If there's an overtime ban then full timers still get paid 39hours. But part timers on 20/25 hour contracts who normally get paid for early prep time are the ones who lose out.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 18 Jan 2017, 22:28

kingeric wrote:
k979aaa wrote:All out one week overtime ban work to rule and the Crucifixion of the traitors of the for-mentioned should do it.
That impacts on certain sections of the workforce more than others though, yet this overtime ban nonsense keeps getting mentioned.

If everyone strikes everyone is losing pay. If there's an overtime ban then full timers still get paid 39hours. But part timers on 20/25 hour contracts who normally get paid for early prep time are the ones who lose out.

No because the whole idea of a strike is maximum disruption if you clear the back log you may as just say they have won it's like being a football player on a contract you still get paid for your contractual hours. But what will happen if this whole pensions proposal goes through you will not have a contract nor will anyone else. It is time we all thought of what would you do if we were an oppressed peoples who had the chance of making the world a better place for all and not just for themselves. At the end of the day there is even bigger things than just our pensions this is a struggle for the working man and woman and about partime wages and zero hour contracts and the future.

Post by **cobrakai** » 19 Jan 2017, 13:04

norm wrote:
gary1975 wrote:How can there be solidarity while there is a two tier work force .a lot of pt staff will not strike for the golden pension brigade
That's what RM want though, a divided workforce, PTs vs FTers, for situations like this. You have to look beyond it though, because as soon as the union is divided we're screwed.

It's these same "golden pension" type people that generally are the same toadieing types who are up the arris of management and generally go out of their way to cause new starters and agency hurdles to protect their reserved rights and such. Now I've already seen them trying to buddy up with these very people to try to help them go on strike. In fact some of these odious creatures (ex managers some) actually crossed the last picket line we had in our office.

I would never cross a picket but don't expect me to stand on a picket line for the huge pension pots of ex bullying gaffers and strike breakers.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Jan 2017, 13:35

Give me strength

There is no golden pension to protect.

You won't be on strike or the picket line to protect strike breakers and managers Pensions. Hopefully, you'll be there to protect those loyal colleagues who stood by you over the years. Also to get the colleagues who get a worse pension at the moment, at least the same as ours when its all over. The side effect is you'll be helping the same odious types you mention, but I'd rather support colleagues by action, than not, just because it supports striker breakers and managers.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 19 Jan 2017, 14:13

There's a lot of justifying cowardice and self interest going on in this thread, there's absolutely no need to slag off colleagues or invent "golden pensions" or talk about how a completely unworkable "work to rule" would be so much better.

It's an anonymous forum, if you're too scared to strike or you're more interested in yourself than others just be honest. Nobody knows who you are....well except yourself of course and I'm sure you can handle looking at yourself in the mirror.

Those who believe in the core ethos of the trade union movement, that an injury to one is an injury to all will support the call for strike action no matter what has gone on in the past. The rest will make up excuses in an attempt to convince themselves that they're not really self interested cowards. You're not convincing me and I doubt to be honest that you're really convincing yourselves.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 19 Jan 2017, 16:47

well i am voting for strike action, but I honestly don't think we'll get the yes vote. ive heard loads of blokes who are already in receipt of their pensions say they are not voting for strike action. the driver from the mail centre told me the same thing. all the young'uns are already in the new scheme, and believe it or not some of those kids are only interested in the 750 quid bribe. one stupid twat said 'when do we get it'!! ffs!!...even the acting lino said he's not voting for strike, saying he won't lose that much cos he's taking the lot when he's 55 in a couple of years. he said he couldn't give a monkeys about the young'uns or anyone else. I dread to think what will happen if we lose this fight. I hope I am wrong and I hope we don't get shagged on this,,,, god forbid.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Jan 2017, 17:07

daveyeff wrote:all the young'uns are already in the new scheme, and believe it or not some of those kids are only interested in the 750 quid bribe. one stupid twat said 'when do we get it'!! ffs!!...

Better give them a wake up call. People in the new system won't be entitled to the £750 bribe, unless we can get RM to agree to put everyone on the same Pension.

So if they vote No to strike (or Yes to accept the new pension) then they won't get the £750, they'll only get it if we win some concessions.

viking1488 · Post by **viking1488** » 19 Jan 2017, 17:08

a lot of spineless people about this is not just about the pension this is about everything you have now from sick pay to paid meal breaks if you dont vote to strike and they do what they want you will loose everything maybe this might included your job wake up people

weary_posty · Post by **weary_posty** » 19 Jan 2017, 17:13

daveyeff wrote:well i am voting for strike action, but I honestly don't think we'll get the yes vote. ive heard loads of blokes who are already in receipt of their pensions say they are not voting for strike action. the driver from the mail centre told me the same thing. all the young'uns are already in the new scheme, and believe it or not some of those kids are only interested in the 750 quid bribe. one stupid twat said 'when do we get it'!! ffs!!...even the acting lino said he's not voting for strike, saying he won't lose that much cos he's taking the lot when he's 55 in a couple of years. he said he couldn't give a monkeys about the young'uns or anyone else. I dread to think what will happen if we lose this fight. I hope I am wrong and I hope we don't get shagged on this,,,, god forbid.

That youngen is in for a shock. My understanding is it's only those in the old scheme that will be offered the £750.

I can fully understand where the newer members are coming from. I think a compromise of some sort would be the best solution.
A call to strike with those (in the new scheme) not wanting to agreeing only to work to rule.
Anyone else getting shafted have no excuse not to fight!

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 19 Jan 2017, 18:06

The CWU really has to get their message across this time, they have to explain it to everyone in the Business that they're going to fight for a deal for everyone!

If they don't this BS will just continue, with the workforce being split into so many different camps (each with what they perceive as their own little agendas). I think RM have done a good BS job with this latest handout....it's so bloody confusing with loads of different scenarios for various members. Must have been written by a Solicitor.

I don't consider myself that thick but I didn't find it that easy to trawl through, I know some of the guys in the DO hadn't done as well as me and were spouting various bits of mis-information!

LouBarlow · Post by **LouBarlow** » 19 Jan 2017, 18:34

Dorset Plodder wrote:The CWU really has to get their message across this time, they have to explain it to everyone in the Business that they're going to fight for a deal for everyone!

If they don't this BS will just continue, with the workforce being split into so many different camps (each with what they perceive as their own little agendas). I think RM have done a good BS job with this latest handout....it's so bloody confusing with loads of different scenarios for various members. Must have been written by a Solicitor. I don't consider myself that thick but I didn't find it that easy to trawl through, I know some of the guys in the DO hadn't done as well as me and were spouting various bits of mis-information!

Spot on.

FelicityRae · Post by **FelicityRae** » 19 Jan 2017, 18:51

My husband will be voting to strike. He is new so won't be affected by the pension stuff (aside from maybe getting a better deal) but we don't want a downward spirial of terms and this is surely what will happen if you all just roll over. We are saving a bit each week to ensure he can afford to do this, when (if) the time comes.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 19 Jan 2017, 18:59

the union should be testing the water now with the members to gage which way people will vote so they can rally the troops if need be.

SW17 · Post by **SW17** » 19 Jan 2017, 19:57

As has been mentioned this will be about more than just pensions, if we roll over on this then it's your terms and conditions next so have a long hard think before wanting to vote no, unless you like the idea of being like an amazon or sports direct employee.