Culture of speed?

Post by **bustedflush** » 11 Oct 2016, 13:18

I did ask about that (van insurance) and was told the person who signs it out is responsible for safety checks etc. and that serves as RM's record if there's an issue but if your partner is a RM driver it's OK for either of you to drive it as you are both doing an official RM duty and are therefore both covered under the blanket insurance.

wannabeek · Post by **wannabeek** » 11 Oct 2016, 16:28

I wonder who told you that? I'm guessing it was somebody who wanted you to to continue taking bad shortcuts as that isn't true, so far as I can research. For drivers to transfer mid duty there has to be a 'duty level' vehicle check. Only takes 5 to 10 mins and it gets recorded in the logbook. Complying with that RM rule would probably have been a right nuisance.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 11 Oct 2016, 17:10

For obvious reasons and legally for the benefit of the road traffic act any business has to have a record of who is driving which vehicle and when, in our case that's the log book, if you're involved in an accident, get pulled by the cops or just get a security check from IB and your name isn't the last name recorded in the log book you're screwed. In order to take responsibility of a royal mail vehicle whether you're a collection driver or part of a park&loop pair you must first complete a duty level assessment of whether the vehicle is roadworthy or not, that's what you're signing for in the logbook, if you haven't completed the checks and something goes badly wrong you're screwed.

Managers know f**k all and the ones that do know will lie to you and then deny all knowledge.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 12 Oct 2016, 17:41

fishtank wrote:For obvious reasons and legally for the benefit of the road traffic act any business has to have a record of who is driving which vehicle and when, in our case that's the log book, if you're involved in an accident, get pulled by the cops or just get a security check from IB and your name isn't the last name recorded in the log book you're screwed. In order to take responsibility of a royal mail vehicle whether you're a collection driver or part of a park&loop pair you must first complete a duty level assessment of whether the vehicle is roadworthy or not, that's what you're signing for in the logbook, if you haven't completed the checks and something goes badly wrong you're screwed.

Managers know f**k all and the ones that do know will lie to you and then deny all knowledge.

The log book is only a check on a vehicle at the start of delivery when whoever signs for the van is the one who is responsible for the return and anything that happens with the van including tickets and failure to stop for a police officer. But the log book must be filled in upon complishion of the duty it is not to say the van is ok or fit for use it is for the person who takes the van out next to make sure the van is fit for use and has FUEL in it and not whine about it in the log book!

wannabeek · Post by **wannabeek** » 12 Oct 2016, 17:54

I think the purpose of the logbook is more than just making sure we all know who didn't fill up the tank. If my name isn't the last on the list in the logbook I ain't driving it.

TBH it's something that's got many colleagues in a huff but it's pretty basic knowledge to anybody who has had professional driving experience in the real world - outside of the made-up 'RM rules' that managers and posties come up with to save a bit of time and effort.

Post by **bustedflush** » 13 Oct 2016, 00:35

Enough of this diversion - I'll write to the Courier and ask in the letters section.........

Oh cr*p! I don't get it now I've gone....

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 13 Oct 2016, 10:47

Lounge Lizard wrote:
malawihap wrote:In out office if you say you cant do the lapsing, you are threatened with being taken off your round with the DOM saying he will replace you with someone who can do the lapsing. He will also give you the story of the relief postman can do your delivery an hour quicker than you. And if that dont work you get into a argument with the manager who is less than happy with the situation and is ignorant and rude about it .
Yes and the DOM isn't interested that the relief postman can do your delivery an hour quicker than you because he routinely doorsteps parcels, leaves mail hanging out of the letter box, leaves gates open and drives recklessly.

That's bullying and harassment. I would tell him to shadow me if he has a problem. Doing our job by the book takes far longer and he can not tell you to go against health and safety rules and delivery procedure.