Re-sign Seniority list . Revision

[Gilly856]

If Man u had the same policy we would support Duncan Edwards

[DGH]

What would be wrong with random allocation of duties?

Other than everyone would suddenly have an incentive to ensure they were fair?

[Jack Rouse]

What would be wrong with random allocation of duties?

Other than everyone would suddenly have an incentive to ensure they were fair?

Still wouldn't work, people have been bucking the system too long for that, we have a guy in our office who at present is ghosting a full walk with management knowledge, and gets back in time to start a 15:30 collection every day. Complains that his walk is too big, then lo and behold signs for the same walk in the recent resign !

Not all people want to do rurals, not all people want to drive vans, some like being a reserve or floater.

So why not have a free pick, with a first and second choice, then if two people want the same walk, the names get drawn out of a hat.

Gets rid of seniority, gets rid of management favourites, and possibly gets rid of people sitting on an easy walk for life !

[DGH]

That'd work

[Jack Rouse]

That'd work

I detect sarcasm

[bandit1157]

What would be wrong with random allocation of duties?

Other than everyone would suddenly have an incentive to ensure they were fair?

All that would do is give people an incentive to p1ss up other peoples backs i'm afraid, human nature.
I'm near the bottom of the pile in our office and can't think of a fairer way to pick

[Martin Walsh]

Your forgetting Royal Mail don't like the principle of resigns at all. Too many complaints from customers about their postmen women being knocked off their round and that customer complaints increase after full resigns as new duty holders get used to the new delivery. Some OPGd have been on the same round all be probably with streets and roads added for years.

Under the Employee Agenda they wanted to do away with resigns and individuals selecting jobs as they wanted the team leader to select what jobs his team members did. in the end when the Way Forward came in resigns were limited and unless every duty was changed there would not be a need for a full office resign. If there was only a small change than indivuals could opt of a resign. Prior to the way forward many offices had a full resign every year regardless of whether there had been a revision.

If the CWU wanted to change seniority now and it does not ,there is no chance that Royal Mail will agree to let's draw duties out a hat ! Royal Mail will want to reward those who have the least sick , have the highest first time delivery rate, the least customer complaints and is the most flexible in terms of absorption !

This is not a route which the CWU would agree. Equalising duties will never really happen because new delivery points come on stream all the time and business relocate as well. So even after a good Geo route revision there will be better walks than others for a variety of reasons ! Flats with lift , flats without lift , streets with basements , businesses etc

[Jack Rouse]

Your forgetting Royal Mail don't like the principle of resigns at all. Too many complaints from customers about their postmen women being knocked off their round and that customer complaints increase after full resigns as new duty holders get used to the new delivery. Some OPGd have been on the same round all be probably with streets and roads added for years.

Under the Employee Agenda they wanted to do away with resigns and individuals selecting jobs as they wanted the team leader to select what jobs his team members did. in the end when the Way Forward came in resigns were limited and unless every duty was changed there would not be a need for a full office resign. If there was only a small change than indivuals could opt of a resign. Prior to the way forward many offices had a full resign every year regardless of whether there had been a revision.

If the CWU wanted to change seniority now and it does not ,there is no chance that Royal Mail will agree to let's draw duties out a hat ! Royal Mail will want to reward those who have the least sick , have the highest first time delivery rate, the least customer complaints and is the most flexible in terms of absorption !

This is not a route which the CWU would agree. Equalising duties will never really happen because new delivery points come on stream all the time and business relocate as well. So even after a good Geo route revision there will be better walks than others for a variety of reasons ! Flats with lift , flats without lift , streets with basements , businesses etc

It shouldn't be up to the union, it should be up to the workforce in each office!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

It shouldn't be up to the union, it should be up to the workforce in each office!

Of which in Royal Mail the vast majority are in the Union - even managers.

[coxie]

It shouldn't be up to the union, it should be up to the workforce in each office!

Of which in Royal Mail the vast majority are in the Union - even managers.

And of which the vast majority support seniority In my opinion. Only the new guys that don't like it

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

It shouldn't be up to the union, it should be up to the workforce in each office!

Of which in Royal Mail the vast majority are in the Union - even managers.

And of which the vast majority support seniority In my opinion. Only the new guys that don't like it

I would actually say it's not the new guys it's the ones in between, new ones don't really realise how much rounds can differ but after they have been there for a couple of years then they know exactly who has it easy and who doesn't and at that point they have not got enough seniority to get an easier round for theselves

[dvbuk55]

About 20 odd years ago in my office we had group duties. 5 duties covered by 5 individuals on a rotating basis, ie, week 1 duty 1, week 2 duty 2 et seq. Of course that's when the workforce held sway and swapped duties between themselves within the 5 duties. Everyone was full time and every started at the same time and everyone went on IPS. Well things have changed and the power base has shifted to some tune.

[Dorset Plodder]

The job is definitely becoming harder. Perhaps in the "Good Old Days" Posties were happy to do their time and build up their seniority. But it was an easier job. We all know the stories .....three bags of mail on a bike and enough time to Ghost a 2nd duty and still get back before your finish time!

Those days have gone and perhaps that's why some of our more "Junior" Colleagues aren't too happy when they're getting hit with the shitty end of the stick! I think we should still aim to get all the duties as even as possible....... "The Holy Grail" of Posties.

[bogstandard]

seniority is only an issue with someone who has none because of the resign. Possibly not been through one before, doesn't like this process and doesn't know of a better one. As dingo posted the business doesn't like resigns so tried to limit them, hence "seniority is all wrong". As for the CWU deciding about seniority, well the membership is the CWU and i very much doubt that any agreement that had "get rid of seniority" in it would get voted in.
However having said that, every 3 years or so we are offered a blank cheque by HQ essentially with the words "just agree to the money part and we'll fill out the T's and C's later" .How many times have we been told there is a bonus scheme however this is so difficult to follow you need a doctorate in maths just to get to page 2, which is just as well because you are not entitled to the infomation beyond page 1, what's on page 1 you ask, the flippin title.
In conclusion i don't see my union agreeing to the removal of seniorty with my consent, however as blank cheques go this cannot be beyond the realms of possibility.
What are the chances that a senior officer who has been on release for so long doesn't even know where their office is now as it moved 3 years ago and they lost the letter telling them where it was going to.

[dvbuk55]

What are the chances that a senior officer who has been on release for so long doesn't even know where their office is now as it moved 3 years ago and they lost the letter telling them where it was going to.

That's why there should be a maximum tenure. There has been a suggestion that in doing so you would lose experience and expertise but in reality the experience and expertise would still be there, just not on release. If altruism is really the reason for being so involved in the union then any financial gain would be discounted and would really enhance the experience by returning to the shop floor and seeing first hand the everyday problems.