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A2B wrote:Have you a link to that please, might come in handy when i have two customers (sender/receiver) asking me to do different things :cuppa
http://whatconsumer.co.uk/delivery-and- ... z3SyCeKvAK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


the actual regulation in Lawyer speak is

Passing of risk
43.—(1) A sales contract is to be treated as including the following provisions as terms.
(2) The goods remain at the trader’s risk until they come into the physical possession of—
(a) the consumer, or
(b) a person identified by the consumer to take possession of the goods.
(3) Paragraph (2) does not apply if the goods are delivered to a carrier who—
(a) is commissioned by the consumer to deliver the goods, and
(b) is not a carrier the trader named as an option for the consumer.
(4) In that case the goods are at the consumer’s risk on and after delivery to the carrier.
(5) Paragraph (4) does not affect any liability of the carrier to the consumer in respect of the
goods.

which is part of the The Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and
Additional Charges) Regulations 2013
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013 ... 134_en.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Thank you. So we should not deliver anything to a neighbor unless both the sender and receiver have given us permission to do so?
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A2B wrote:Thank you. So we should not deliver anything to a neighbor unless both the sender and receiver have given us permission to do so?
I am not a lawyer so unsure of the legal implications but I would agree with you at first look.
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I've started something now I see...... Bring on the revolution
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
A2B wrote:Thank you. So we should not deliver anything to a neighbor unless both the sender and receiver have given us permission to do so?
I am not a lawyer so unsure of the legal implications but I would agree with you at first look.
Well if one is the customer while the item is in transit and the other becomes the customer when it reaches their property i can't see it any other way :crazy:
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the-hanz wrote:I've started something now I see...... Bring on the revolution
Indeed :nana
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There is too many rules and confusion what you can do and can't do. People complain about leaving letters in the porch and not parcels in the porch. You have to do what is possible. If the area is run down then take extra care. Get to know who are the complainers are. It is more difficult if you are covering for the walk. Don't worry about entering in the porch. Just don't enter when the front door is open due to dogs.
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Well,by my reckoning, according to the deliver to neighbour procedure ,if receipt of an item is denied ,it is deemed to be your fault,that to its logical conclusion,says,that,delivery to neighbour is insecure. Bring it back.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
the-hanz wrote:Thanks again.

One other scenario. A porch that is closed with NO letter box on it. Do I try the door so I can deliver the mail through the front door or do I endorse the mail to say it can't be delivered?

Yes - if you see a letter box through the porch, or know that there is one through local knowledge then you are allowed to post it through the 2nd door, but you can't leave parcels in the porch, as its insecure.

On the subject of the secure porch door. If you can open it, so can a passing thief so its not secure. However, RM have deemed that we cannot check every door, so a closed door is counted as secure, but it isn't if you subsequently open it.
And a garden gate is a door..... So if it is closed ?
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open it - we have implied access to by law we can go beyond the gate. We don't have implied access beyond the front door.
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Bored Now!!!! After 35 years i hadnt realised the job could get so complicated? ? Is it me ????