No I in Team

[taurus88]

Young or old is not a factor in whether or not somebody is a c*nt.

[fishtank]

The Union should not even be talking about 100Bs as that workrate is usually achieved over a shift by stff on piecework or output related bonus. If the Union were to accept that type of target I would expect some very hefty payrise to be negotiated at the same time but would still question whether it is appropriate for a customer facing job like deliveries ... mail centre work is another argument.

The CWU has constantly said it does not accept 100BSI and has not agreed to 100BSI.
Unfortunately that's not a very helpful position out in the field when RM attempt to apply 100BSI and above or use unrealistic starting points for revisions based on bad practice.
There is a massive difference between not agree and oppose.
The very idea that BSI could be used at all in such a variable and frankly unmeasurable job as delivery work is ridiculous.
That is what should have been opposed,from day 1 because that has been the major contributing factor in the failure of delivery revisions.

[chrisj]

Its is so typical for people to be picky about a post instead of replying to the sentiment behind the message.

To the OP, your thread made perfect sense except that you added the younger/fitter and that will surely get you some sort of against treatment - rightfully so!

However, I am dreading the same sort of scenario you have highlighted. No one should have to work 'way' beyond what is necessary (and what is paid for) just to help a colleague. Certainly not on a consistent basis.

Something has to be done. Folks need to be tested and if they are not up to scratch then they have to be helped or let go. The job has changed - and we have been paid for the transition... The same should apply to newly employed staff that refuses to drive even though they have a licence - the new job requirements must have ability and willingness to drive as a mandatory... I hope it does!

Lastly, I also dread having to work with the speedy gonzalez of these wolrd, the short-cutters, the risk takers and the early early starters and no break postmen. They are just as bad!

[dvbuk55]

Its is so typical for people to be picky about a post instead of replying to the sentiment behind the message.

To the OP, your thread made perfect sense except that you added the younger/fitter and that will surely get you some sort of against treatment - rightfully so!

However, I am dreading the same sort of scenario you have highlighted. No one should have to work 'way' beyond what is necessary (and what is paid for) just to help a colleague. Certainly not on a consistent basis.

Something has to be done. Folks need to be tested and if they are not up to scratch then they have to be helped or let go. The job has changed - and we have been paid for the transition... The same should apply to newly employed staff that refuses to drive even though they have a licence - the new job requirements must have ability and willingness to drive as a mandatory... I hope it does!

Lastly, I also dread having to work with the speedy gonzalez of these wolrd, the short-cutters, the risk takers and the early early starters and no break postmen. They are just as bad!

With so much dread, is this really the job for you? As for testing old people to see if they are capable of doing the job the years go by regardless and some are going to cope with change and some are not. Change is negotiated and if the negotiations make delivery times and methods above and beyond what is acceptable whose fault is that? Most people could manage a 3.5 hour delivery BUT take away the time element and make it just an "enabler" and you find that 4/4.5/5/6 hour deliveries become untenable.

I have never dreaded going to work - regardless of whatever colleagues or managers do or say I relish the thought of daily confrontation

[chrisj]

You relish the thought of daily confrontation - really? Well, each to their own.

There we go again, picking on the words of the post not the post itself. Yes, am dreading things and cacking my pants and wishing not to go to work and confront my colleagues and have a right go at them, especially the elderly ones and young upstarts. Wow! I think I better go and see my shrink before the P&L starts.

I never said, older postmen should be tested. Some younger ones are also slow and/or badly organised and since it is a team job, badly organised postman or one that brings complaint from customers will land the pair in the same trouble.

People need to be tested; and make sure they are able to carry out their duty as proscribed. It is only FAIR!

[newtimes]

"People need to be tested; and make sure they are able to carry out their duty as proscribed. It is only FAIR!"
I was always told life is not fair, if people are going to be "tested" then should the playing field be level. How many "rules" does RM ignore.
How can you be "fairly tested" on a duty when in real-life its not "fair". What's the point of taking a faulty car to get a MOT, fix the car then it will pass the MOT.

[dvbuk55]

Yes confrontation is good.

I think you have an idealised opinion that there should be a "standard" and that everyone should conform to that - however who is to decide exactly what that standard should be - you? There are many diverse abilities which do not involve speed - accuracy is also important, the use of the equipment provided and more. As for making people drive.......................certainly providing they pay for that ability, as they once did, otherwise why should you? There are many more pitfalls for someone who drives for RM than those who either cannot or will not. I personally do not and have never driven for RM unless you count using my own vehicle when I was delivering so that I could get home early etc.

[Straight4ward]

No one should have to work 'way' beyond what is necessary (and what is paid for) just to help a colleague.

Its amazing how some folks don't realise that that we should all work as a team; and that sometimes we have to go the extra mile for the sake of the office

[clashcityrocker]

People need to be tested; and make sure they are able to carry out their duty as proscribed. It is only FAIR!

The fat ones will have a lot to fear.

[chrisj]

No one should have to work 'way' beyond what is necessary (and what is paid for) just to help a colleague.

Its amazing how some folks don't realise that that we should all work as a team; and that sometimes we have to go the extra mile for the sake of the office

You can do better than that!

The clue is on doing it for the sake of the office not just a slow individual and certainly not 'way' beyond simply doing more work or additional loop if the colleague is in some difficulty or for the sake of simply finishing on time.

The OP was clear clear in that he was working much much harder to cover what appears to be an inefficient colleague. Simples!

[Straight4ward]

I don't have to do better than that, they're your words not mine.

Keep digging.

[DGP1]

People need to be tested; and make sure they are able to carry out their duty as proscribed. It is only FAIR!

The fat ones will have a lot to fear.

Rule number 1 in Zombieland.................cardio

[BoltonPostie]

Maybe somebody should test you Chris regularily for illegal substances.

[dvbuk55]

Maybe a sign over the gate, "Arbeit Macht Frei", with a convenient disposal system round the back - dual purpose for the excess D2D

[fishtank]

There we go again, picking on the words of the post not the post itself.

What is a post if it isn't words?
The overriding sentiment that comes from your posts chris...is fear.
Fear that nobody will recognise your valiant efforts at showing gratitude to your employer and going that extra mile,fear that the incumbent system of seniority over subservient ambition will render all of your hard work fruitless.
Fear that at the end of the day no-one gives a rat's arse how hard you work,how many hours overtime you work or whether you bring an apple in for the boss every day.
You're right...nobody cares.