Report from National Briefing

[feduppostie]

having spoken to people in my d/o noone except the rep wants to support IA and erm he does things to make sure he doesn't lose pay on strikes ( that's all i'm gonna say)

in short we are fecked

peeps in my office have no confidence in the union for a strike anymore - we went out last time and went back in when then told us too and got shafted

so now the feeling I get is it is everyman for himself

just saying it as I see it

[drb]

I think looking at the deal itself,(and that includes P&M 2007), it asks us to "change our attitudes". I think we have the rank and file to do this,(work to our time etc). I fear that the new agreement relies on local management to change,and i'm afraid to say that this is not the case.

Lets take THEIR training in the new agreement for example, very little,apart from a slide show. Workshops? They looked bored and argued with the planners about D2D in the IWT. They knew their attitudes would have to change and they are NOT INTERESTED! Especially those with "weak" representation and more part timers.

Get rid of them......

[belle smith]

I think looking at the deal itself,(and that includes P&M 2007), it asks us to "change our attitudes". I think we have the rank and file to do this,(work to our time etc). I fear that the new agreement relies on local management to change,and i'm afraid to say that this is not the case.

Lets take THEIR training in the new agreement for example, very little,apart from a slide show. Workshops? They looked bored and argued with the planners about D2D in the IWT. They knew their attitudes would have to change and they are NOT INTERESTED! Especially those with "weak" representation and more part timers.

Get rid of them......

I disagree the managers at the top are a far bigger problem.

[drb]

So who are the culprit(s)? :

Is it local managers who are renegade?

Or is it the directors?,(who are lying cnuts)

[fishtank]

So who are the culprit(s)? :

Is it local managers who are renegade?

Or is it the directors?,(who are lying cnuts)

Don't buy into that local rogue manager nonsense drb.
Local managers don't go for a piss unless it's been through 3 conference calls and been OK'd by the regional director.
There are no local rogue managers left....they've all been promoted.

[drb]

..and there in lies the problem. Certainly,(in this forum), there have been "home truths" by us as a work force in terms of faults in :

Us
The Union

How many of "them" are willing to be self critical?

I won't be waiting for answers from them...the silence would be deafening!

[POSTMAN]

Plenty of local rogue managers down my way.

[fishtank]

Plenty of local rogue managers down my way.

They are not "rogue" if they are being told to act like c***s from above.
If Royal Mail wanted it any other way they would have slapped them down by now.

[dvbuk55]

RM hold managers in thrall, anyone who is close to the front line can see that all decisions are carefully considered before any action is taken. Managers are just like us, they are constantly under review - and as one colleague in a different line of work once said - "You're only as good as your last cock up" and truth be told in his case it turned out to be prophetic.

I have noticed that where once I could get money from a manager for bits and pieces, it is now a major struggle, I wanted some money last year for a project which would have been in the region of £1200 to £2k and what was authorised was very low hundreds.......quite insufficient for what was needed and way too late to be of any use. I think it is an indication of how tight the purse strings are.

[clashcityrocker]

I have noticed that where once I could get money from a manager for bits and pieces, it is now a major struggle, I wanted some money last year for a project which would have been in the region of £1200 to £2k and what was authorised was very low hundreds...

Before my imagination goes into overdrive......what sort of project did you have in mind?

[BT2010]

I have noticed that where once I could get money from a manager for bits and pieces, it is now a major struggle, I wanted some money last year for a project which would have been in the region of £1200 to £2k and what was authorised was very low hundreds.......quite insufficient for what was needed and way too late to be of any use. I think it is an indication of how tight the purse strings are.[/quote]


same story at our DO, i mean.... whats a week in vegas between colleagues?

[dvbuk55]

I have noticed that where once I could get money from a manager for bits and pieces, it is now a major struggle, I wanted some money last year for a project which would have been in the region of £1200 to £2k and what was authorised was very low hundreds...

Before my imagination goes into overdrive......what sort of project did you have in mind?

It was for expansion for the callers office and was to cope with the inevitable xmas excess packets etc for which I asked in August, the money wasn't forthcoming in sufficient quantity or in time. I was hoping there'd be enough left over to be pampered in the local massage parlour, no, no seriously just a massage no extras or anything

Las Vegas? Behave yourself, I mean well if I had got the colleague share...................

[drb]

I was hoping there'd be enough left over to be pampered in the local massage parlour

[hampshireman]

I would support a ballot, not for strike action, but for an overtime ban if RM response not acceptable.

Do you honestly think an overtime ban is sustainable?...or fair on the part-time members?

i do,,,even the ex lino said if we had done that the last time we were at loggerheads with them, our office would have been crippled in less than a week. will it be fair on part timers? no. it would not. neither would being out 2 days a week. they have less money so lose more. but all the p/t i have spoken to are in favour of an overtime ban rather than all out action. there is always going to be this kind of situation in these circumstances. if we are balloted, im not sure the vote would be yes for i.a, the union will have to test the water on that one, which im sure they,ll do. also, someone mentioned they think a strike is exactly what they want, as it would strengthen their case for privatisation. and if we dont, then they will steamroll all their new plans through. so its a 'damned if we do, damned if we dont' situation.

Case up front. I am not in the CWU (and have been called names for that fact) ; but I would support an overtime ban as I think that can have more impact than , say , a two day walkout.

If it was the case of a strike then i would not cross a picket line

The agreement was poor from the first instance and has not improved. Why would anyone support such a shabby state of affairs. RM say that all things have to change because it does not work. Much suprise.