LISTEN UP ALL POSTIES PRINT THIS AND TELL YOUR COLLEGUES

[pizz_flap]

I'm a fellow postworker,please tell me what blame should be apportioned to me and why?Today as the rest of the week I delivered to my customers ,finished round about my time or just after.What are the problems and am I to blame ?I notice in your posts you always seem to finish early perhaps with utilisation of all hours you could nip down from wherever you claim to work and give us a hand

Let me just clarify:

I said I finished early today, it's certainly not everyday and this week I've booked twice for going over.

I never mentioned you personally, just that a lot of postmen are at the root of all our problems by using their cars, coming in early etc etc! I'm sure you do your job properly and therefore my comments can't be targeted at you, I applaud you for that.

Im lucky in the fact we havent had to absorb the walks that others have had to if we did the mail basically wouldnt get delivered even with good will which is probably in short supply at the mo'.Unfortunately we are in a fight to the wire and our office wiil come the National Ballot stand 99 percent with our brethren across the uk

At our place weeks before lapsing came in, DIM was out with clip board and noting what time we all got back and how well we were doing job. Now its in, anyone not doing it is interviewed and given a letter saying they are naughty posites. If we get three of em we dont get paid. CWU are looking into legality of this and we are still waiting for an answer so any news CWU?

[pizz_flap]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

Small articles from CWU Voice (Postal) Jan/Feb 09 & Nov/Dec 08:

Assistant secretary Bob Gibson replies:
Firstly, neither I nor anyone else is saying
that you should not use your car to get to
work. I was explaining CWU policy, which is
to end the use of private cars on delivery.
Secondly, if you have to travel back to the
office after your delivery then this should be
included in your duty as would travel time
out to your delivery.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 49#p175375" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EVERYBODY take note of the above and the link,AND email b gibson if you want as well.

Let's stir some s**t!

With bills going up, job perks going down, petrol going up, I still cannot get my head round why a postie would want to use his / her car for work unisured and footing the bill??????? The mind boggles. I will ask agin

Are ther any posties on here who use a private car for work duties? Why. Gimmie a reason?

[citypostie]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

[pizz_flap]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

That cant be right Cant you go above rep?

I did tube train driving years and years and years ago so when I finished at Ealing broadway at midnight they dare not say make your own way home to me or ASLEF would have kicked arz from a great height.

You probaly wont want to say but roughly where are you in uk?

[pickaname]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

You are out of your mind allowing this. Royal Mail have an obligation to return you to the office in their time not yours. If it takes you an hour to return then you will have to cut off or claim.

Tell them your car is off the road permanently and ask the lino what you should do. Tell them you dont carry cash or a mobile with you for security reasons (our dom wanted to make us text in our specials from private mobiles but guess what...?)

Or are you secretly using your car for convinience?

By allowing this to happen you deserve to get shafted. Complain to your rep, then area rep or the mighty Hayes if you have to.

[kwikpost]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

You are out of your mind allowing this. Royal Mail have an obligation to return you to the office in their time not yours. If it takes you an hour to return then you will have to cut off or claim.

Tell them your car is off the road permanently and ask the lino what you should do. Tell them you dont carry cash or a mobile with you for security reasons (our dom wanted to make us text in our specials from private mobiles but guess what...?)

Or are you secretly using your car for convinience?

By allowing this to happen you deserve to get shafted. Complain to your rep, then area rep or the mighty Hayes if you have to.

we've been told that we go out on the vans and we finish on our walks. any cut off's we ring up and pouch off into the pouch boxes and the drivers pick it up. today i'm geussing around 1/3rd must of cut off.

[pizz_flap]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

You are out of your mind allowing this. Royal Mail have an obligation to return you to the office in their time not yours. If it takes you an hour to return then you will have to cut off or claim.

Tell them your car is off the road permanently and ask the lino what you should do. Tell them you dont carry cash or a mobile with you for security reasons (our dom wanted to make us text in our specials from private mobiles but guess what...?)

Or are you secretly using your car for convinience?

By allowing this to happen you deserve to get shafted. Complain to your rep, then area rep or the mighty Hayes if you have to.

we've been told that we go out on the vans and we finish on our walks. any cut off's we ring up and pouch off into the pouch boxes and the drivers pick it up. today i'm geussing around 1/3rd must of cut off.

What about specials/recds to go back? You cant leave them in PB, can you? IB will sack you

[citypostie]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

In my office they say we finish out on delivery so it's upto us to make our own way back for our cars and our rep when I asked him said that was correct. The section in our office that I work on is a minimum 5 mile walk or a 2 bus journey(taking about 1 hour minimum) so it woudln't make sense to leave your car at the office, if they were willing to pick me up I would stop using my car tomorrow.

Well stop using your car then

The point is I have told them I want to go out in the van and return to the office but they insist that I have to do that myself and in my own time becuase our duties are based on finishing when the last letter is posted. And like I said our rep has backed them up on this and has said we should use our cars to get to the start of deliveries but not take any mail in them, and like I said before if I do leave my car at the office
and they stick to what they are saying i'm looking at an hour plus journey back to the office plus paying out nearly £2 a day in bus fares.

You are out of your mind allowing this. Royal Mail have an obligation to return you to the office in their time not yours. If it takes you an hour to return then you will have to cut off or claim.

Tell them your car is off the road permanently and ask the lino what you should do. Tell them you dont carry cash or a mobile with you for security reasons (our dom wanted to make us text in our specials from private mobiles but guess what...?)

Or are you secretly using your car for convinience?

By allowing this to happen you deserve to get shafted. Complain to your rep, then area rep or the mighty Hayes if you have to.

Why would I tell them my car is off the road permanently when I want to use it to get to the office? And as for the comment that I deserve to get shafted by allowing this to happen! how am I letting this happen when our rep is backing the managers up saying they are right and that's the way it is? Fair enough it might be convenient to use my car but believe me I don't want to because I don't see why I should use my petrol and add wear and tear to a car i've only had a year but the fact is the managers will not budge on the stance that it's upto us if we want to return to the office and as such our responsibility.

[belle smith]

Nobody is forced to use their own car, if you don't RM will get you to your delivery one way or another.

They wont always get you back to the office having completed your round though will they.

Unless they change the agreement they have to! I've forced that to happen on my duties otherwise I sit and wait or if I can be bothered walk in all costing them money.

couldn't point out that agreement could you? i've in the past been told by Area rep "you finish on the street."

[slave]

I see someone was asking why people use cars on delivery, well my reasons:

In our office the job finishes on the street, not back at the office so they don't have to get me back anywhere (fkin crazy really), although there is some time given to pouch off at a local post office (that's harder these days thanks to the dickheads money saving ideas) - it's still a walk to the nearest and even when I get there I've got miles to travel back home.. Who's going to pay the fares? I'll drive thanks, I'd rather not waste even more of my time arsing about on public transport.

I like having all my 'clutter' to hand and not having to lug it around with me - waterproofs, large bottle of water, lotions for the summer(he says trying not to laugh at this summer) and more besides etc etc..

At the end of the day I drive to my walk and park up, I take a pouch or three out with me because I know the driver would never be there in time. I do utilise some pouch boxes later in the walk.. Some people I know take everything out in their car and yes our union rep takes a good few out in his own car too!!

I'd rather not use my own car, but at this moment in time it makes my life easier, so I'll continue doing it. Just for completeness - I don't start early, ever. I don't run around like an idiot. I do take 20mins meal relief, we've been told that's what we can take before leaving the office. I do weigh all my bags, as we all should do, not that managers bother to check the figures.

[brothermagrew]

Now slave

remembering that honesty has always been said to be the best policy. So being honest with yourself, which of the following if any, have you produced to your manager.

Your car registration document

Your current valid driving licence

Your current valid certificate of insurance covering the car

Documentary proof of your ownership of the car

A completed letter from yourself notifying your own insurers that you intend to use Royal Mail's business policy whilst driving on delivery

A completed signed declaration of intent from you relating to the car to be used on delivery

Your current valid MOT certificate for the car to be used on delivery where the car to be used requires one by law

Your car for an initial visual inspection

[bandit650]

Now slave

remembering that honesty has always been said to be the best policy. So being honest with yourself, which of the following if any, have you produced to your manager.

Your car registration document

Your current valid driving licence

Your current valid certificate of insurance covering the car

Documentary proof of your ownership of the car

A completed letter from yourself notifying your own insurers that you intend to use Royal Mail's business policy whilst driving on delivery

A completed signed declaration of intent from you relating to the car to be used on delivery

Your current valid MOT certificate for the car to be used on delivery where the car to be used requires one by law

Your car for an initial visual inspection

Well said!

[andy2007]

I don't agree with the use of cars on Deliveries. But to be fair to some of those, who do use them. Some, are following the correct procedure. Whether Slave is one of them or not, remains to be seen. But please don't jump to conclusions, before he answers.

[mailsort6]

No posties should be using their cars on delivery they should be dropped-off by vans, by taxis or by bus RM should be paying for transport and fuel. RM does not complain about this because it helps the managers to get even bigger bonues, how can some posties complain that their wages are low if they are using their cars and paying for petrol to deliver mail for RM without refunds on travelling expenses .

[S6 Stroller]

At the risk of getting shot down in a hail of abuse, could someone please explain to me why coming in early makes any difference to RM...or anyone else for that matter? I've spent a while trying to figure this out and have yet to reach a rational conclusion.

If I, hypothetically speaking, come in 1 hour early so that I'm done at midday instead of my finish time of 1pm, why does that matter to RM and why is it not counted towards OT if I go beyond midday? I've still worked the same amount of hours. Just because those hours started before my start time doesn't make those hours of any less value. AND customers are getting their mail earlier...not that RM could care less about that obviously.

In the interest of giving the bigger picture, I would happily do the job 'properly' if everyone else did but the chances of that are pretty remote it would seem. On a more general point, why does the CWU not just suggest everyone stops doing OT and working their days off? Nobody would lose any basic pay and our office for one would be on it's arse straight away.

I will be voting 'YES' by the way.