Martin Walsh FB post on DM26

[payetwhu]

How much later will the finishing times be monday to Friday

[postslippete]

Obviously, we know that USO reform is going to happen whether we like it or not. But why would RM implement a USO reform (ODM) which would potentially harm the company even more? The onus is always on trying to make it work because they don't want these changes to backfire. And the Union imho are simply playing devil's advocate by allegedly presenting a softer/better option. My gut feeling is that the end result will still be the same. Voting YES merely rubber stamps and gives RM the seal of approval for the changes.

Think about it. Regardless of whether it's ODM or Heavy/light, because RM has struggled with completing workloads and QoS; they probably need to put walks back in to make it work anyway. The uplifts from part-time to full-time? Most part-timers in our office are already working full-time. Martin claims that 3,500 walks are being introduced which would cost £94 million. I'm not disagreeing with his arithmetic of £27k per walk BUT on the flip side how much has RM saved when they imposed revisions and took thousands of walks out a few years ago??

And why are the CWU asking us to vote on a model that we haven't had any experience of? Staff don't know if they are going to be on their fixed walk everyday, or whether they are one of the unlucky ones who will be rotating 4 into 3, or which walks will be rotated, or what change in start/finish times are. It's a bit being forced to buy a car without giving it a spin round the block or at the very least checking that everything is in good working order. And thats the core problem because even RM don't know themselves if the USO reform is going to run smoothly. It won't be the CWU that decide whether extra duties or hours need to come back into a delivery unit. They might try their best to influence it, but the end decision always lands with RM.

[A2B]

I know its a pain but the outcome for me is i keep my 4 day week and others keep there Wallingtons!!!

You know that for certain?

I've told there keeping them I've been doing them for the last 13 years as hybrid rural/collections 26 years in

Your office must be a lot further along the planning stages of DM26 than most.

Are you having a revision?

Is your office having a vote on duty structures?

Are walks being created?

Are PT staff having their hours increased?

[yellowbelly]

I think the focus on number of bags/loops is a bit misleading. You can't quantify how much work you've been allocated on bags.

Walk loops and number of bags are different on different frames and different day to day on the same frame.
It's the number of DP's involved surely?

My walk doesn't have multiple loops....it's one big fat loop.

[tramssirhc]

Obviously, we know that USO reform is going to happen whether we like it or not. But why would RM implement a USO reform (ODM) which would potentially harm the company even more? The onus is always on trying to make it work because they don't want these changes to backfire. And the Union imho are simply playing devil's advocate by allegedly presenting a softer/better option. My gut feeling is that the end result will still be the same. Voting YES merely rubber stamps and gives RM the seal of approval for the changes.

Think about it. Regardless of whether it's ODM or Heavy/light, because RM has struggled with completing workloads and QoS; they probably need to put walks back in to make it work anyway. The uplifts from part-time to full-time? Most part-timers in our office are already working full-time. Martin claims that 3,500 walks are being introduced which would cost £94 million. I'm not disagreeing with his arithmetic of £27k per walk BUT on the flip side how much has RM saved when they imposed revisions and took thousands of walks out a few years ago??

And why are the CWU asking us to vote on a model that we haven't had any experience of? Staff don't know if they are going to be on their fixed walk everyday, or whether they are one of the unlucky ones who will be rotating 4 into 3, or which walks will be rotated, or what change in start/finish times are. It's a bit being forced to buy a car without giving it a spin round the block or at the very least checking that everything is in good working order. And thats the core problem because even RM don't know themselves if the USO reform is going to run smoothly. It won't be the CWU that decide whether extra duties or hours need to come back into a delivery unit. They might try their best to influence it, but the end decision always lands with RM.

The USO has not changed. It's the method of processing and delivering the USO thats changed.

[tramssirhc]

Martin says:

'the CDV pairing is doing one duty as first class and parcels only and the other route all mail. This means their starting point is that they are delivering to less addresses than under the current USO and considerably less than ODM.

The singleton van duty could be performing the third duty again 50% first class and parcels and 50% all mail. Again their starting point is that they are performing less work under DM26 than the current USO and much less than ODM.

The fourth duty which may also be 50% first class and parcels and 50% all mail can then be either reallocated to the three other routes or they are supported'

In practice this would be:

On a Monday

Duty A - due mail and associated tasks
Duty B - full duty
Duty C - 50/50
Duty D - 50/50

This results in a delivery profile of:

Duty A - only due mail
Duty B - all mail
Duty C - 50% due mail / 50% all mail
Duty D - 50% due mail / 50% all mail

[60091]

I know its a pain but the outcome for me is i keep my 4 day week and others keep there Wallingtons!!!

You know that for certain?

No revisions yet with dm26 the hole office doesn't have to be the same duty structures!

I've told there keeping them I've been doing them for the last 13 years as hybrid rural/collections 26 years in

Your office must be a lot further along the planning stages of DM26 than most.

Are you having a revision?

Is your office having a vote on duty structures?

Are walks being created?

Are PT staff having their hours increased?

[chickenwittle]

I will be voting no , I don’t want longer days Monday to Friday to compensate for a shorter Saturday and we don’t even know our new start and finish times or what duty structure we will be on , until all this and many other things are sorted, it’s a no from me.

[chickenwittle]

How much later will the finishing times be monday to Friday

They will make the weds/ Thurs longer days , possibly by half an hour to make the Saturday an hour shorter. Until you get your exact start and finish times, it’s hard to be to accurate, vote no unless you have all the information you need.

[yellowbelly]

How much later will the finishing times be monday to Friday

They will make the weds/ Thurs longer days , possibly by half an hour to make the Saturday an hour shorter. Until you get your exact start and finish times, it’s hard to be to accurate, vote no unless you have all the information you need.

Absolutely - RM/CWU are not going to be able to explain in detail how it will affect individual offices/duties/posties before the ballot closes. How can you vote on something you don't know the effects of?

[ted_e_bear]

How much later will the finishing times be monday to Friday

According to the 2 in 5 Saturdays rota Mon, Tues,Thurs, Fri are 8 hours, weds is 8hrs30 and sat is 7hrs40 so longer days but obviously the finish time is governed by whatever the start time is/is going to be.

[chickenwittle]

How much later will the finishing times be monday to Friday

According to the 2 in 5 Saturdays rota Mon, Tues,Thurs, Fri are 8 hours, weds is 8hrs30 and sat is 7hrs40 so longer days but obviously the finish time is governed by whatever the start time is/is going to be.

This is ok if you can have a 6/6.30 start which would mean a 2/2.30 finish on most days but how many offices will get that start time ? Not many if any is my guess but until start and finish time is confirmed, it’s a no from me.

[TopperGas]

In a response to a question on FB MW has suggested some DO's maybe able to ove their start times forward by upto 15 mins

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18oxdzbbyv/

[Rommagic]

Walsh says 3 per cent rise so why are they holding it back? The 0.1 per cent paid after uso reform.

[Perseus]

They are going to have to get a hell of a lot of information out to people over the next 10 days, and I don't think either CWU/RM have the ability to do that.