SISO to be used for overtime

[Perseus]

lol, I had no idea he was mail centre based.
Scary if they think that 'only' working outdoors for 5 hours a day means we are idle for 1/3 of our shift (after break it would be more like 1/4).

[mjd24]

The agreement clearly states that verbal agreements on overtime will not be affected by the pay to SiSo changes. In theory the admin/manager when he is adjusting the daily siso records can manually enter agreed periods of OT to be paid. It is supposed to be a tool to replace the paper OT sheets but it will still need some manual intervention on the part of the person submitting at the end of the week.

Those that still have good deals for OT don't panic. We went to pay for the hours you worked years ago. Now the only OT people do is their days off anything else is like most acknowledge a slog after the end of a 5 hour delivery. After delivery ot is only for the young or desperate.

However this is just a first step in the use of tech and pay. The nightmare scenario you are all worrying about is still coming but not this year!

I think this is the crux of the problem, why are there “5 hour deliveries” (or walks) this: “oh we only go out for 5 hours” thing is not going to last much longer.
How can you bring back a load of mail when you have only been out for 2/3rd’s of your shift time?

i understand fatigue levels etc but delivering for 5 hours in an 8 hour shift just isn’t going to continue much longer.

(and then as the thread topic, claiming OT inside the standard 8hrs?)

Do you work in a delivery office?

[mjd24]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

[qwerty2]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

Think people want to deliver in the dark 6-8pm winter/ xmas!!!
What about non drivers?

[Perseus]

I think i've said this before Norris, but if they were to make every duty 500 houses and give job and finish, the company would go bust in a few weeks.

[Acca Dacca]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

Please stop persisting with this. Please. Save yourself the energy.

[yellowbelly]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

How many times - RM are never going to sanction 'Job and Finish' - they'll SISO your working hours to your pay.

[SpacePhoenix]

How many times - RM are never going to sanction 'Job and Finish' - they'll SISO your working hours to your pay.

It's almost certainly when not if RM link SISO to pay.

[postmanplod2025]

if ur already still out their past ur time, u cant come back sign out then sign back in for overtime makes no sense?

[A2B]

if ur already still out their past ur time, u cant come back sign out then sign back in for overtime makes no sense?

I think pro delivery will be a different situation, if you have permission from your manager to work past your time then you just stay out and the PDA will show how much overtime you are due

[dazzler123]

if ur already still out their past ur time, u cant come back sign out then sign back in for overtime makes no sense?

I think pro delivery will be a different situation, if you have permission from your manager to work past your time then you just stay out and the PDA will show how much overtime you are due

this is just normal life for many of us, not a chance of finishing your own duty on time. Any overtime is simply hacking away at your own duty. Anyone on here still with a hint of ghost ovetime are very lucky

[A2B]

if ur already still out their past ur time, u cant come back sign out then sign back in for overtime makes no sense?

I think pro delivery will be a different situation, if you have permission from your manager to work past your time then you just stay out and the PDA will show how much overtime you are due

this is just normal life for many of us, not a chance of finishing your own duty on time. Any overtime is simply hacking away at your own duty. Anyone on here still with a hint of ghost ovetime are very lucky

We haven't been able to pro deliver for months, work rest days but no pro

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

How many times - RM are never going to sanction 'Job and Finish' - they'll SISO your working hours to your pay.

I wouldn't be so sure on that, productivity goes up in businesses where 'job and finish cultures' are implemented. It may enter the conversation post USO implementation.
I personally don't like the idea because the cynic in me believes it will only be agreed if the walks are slightly too long.

[thefox]

SISO to be used for overtime.
Amazing that it isn't already. Every other firm "on the clock" uses it...that's why it's there, to keep track of employees attendances.

Exactly.

[goldy2007]

Having a 'job and finish' setup resolves all these things.

Everyone gets roughly the same size of duty which is ~450 to 550 delivery points, each duty is selected based on seniority and you have to finish the duty.

Benefits:

- No lapsing (so no arguments about that)
- No cutting off (so no arguments about that)
- No bringing stuff back (so no arguments about that)
- No overtime deals with management.
- Customers happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Ofcom is happy as everything is delivered on time.
- Less managers needed - saving money for RM.
- Go home earlier in Summer. Go home later in Winter.
- Much less stressful.

Pitfalls:

- Those that need to pick up kids from school may have problems if they are overloaded with their delivery in winter.

- Less overtime, but that can be resolved by having some jobs that are ~700 to 750 delivery points and those people doing those rounds get paid more.

- Van-sharing would suck if the person you work with either wants to rush around to get done as early as possible, or if the person you work with is as slow as a snail.

The latter being a big issue with this idea. So maybe we could do what we did during Covid and have morning and afternoon shifts so everyone gets to do their round on their own, which is another bonus.

How many times - RM are never going to sanction 'Job and Finish' - they'll SISO your working hours to your pay.

I wouldn't be so sure on that, productivity goes up in businesses where 'job and finish cultures' are implemented. It may enter the conversation post USO implementation.
I personally don't like the idea because the cynic in me believes it will only be agreed if the walks are slightly too long.

That maybe true but you also wouldn’t want to be open ended delivery commitment either