CWU official having a melt down on SM.

[Sean06]

Well I don’t think his criticisms of the union are unfair , I certainly haven’t noticed any improvements in my terms and conditions for at least two decades, we’ve gone backwards,

Do you honestly think that the pwrfc will improve your terms and conditions they do nothing but spout crap on here from the same few posters.

[datasaint]

Well I don’t think his criticisms of the union are unfair , I certainly haven’t noticed any improvements in my terms and conditions for at least two decades, we’ve gone backwards,

Do you honestly think that the pwrfc will improve your terms and conditions they do nothing but spout crap on here from the same few posters.

Same kind of thinking as ...

"do you honestly think Royal Mail will give us more"
"do you honestly think striking will achieve anything"
"do you honestly think anybody other than the current CWU leadership could do a better job"

The level of apathy is why there is no forward momentum any more it's all about maintaining the status quo or settling for less.

[Tman]

Most would probably like a bit of this "forward momentum" but half-a-dozen fantasists spouting Left Wing cliches aren't ever going to provide it.
It's nothing more than make-believe.

[scotchy1962]

To get what you all really want time travel would have to be invented, go back to the last strike vote, this time actually work off the massive "Yes" and take on the company.
But then again people were already breaking the strike and in reality, although you can blame the company all you want, it was us who voted yes to the pay offer, i might not have voted for it but i believe in democracy so had to accept the outcome.
The union are doing the old "drag it out " with the vote and magically they could end up with a yes, Dave and Martin are carried shoulder high around the streets and declared saviours of the post.

[Hyrrokkin]

Well I don’t think his criticisms of the union are unfair , I certainly haven’t noticed any improvements in my terms and conditions for at least two decades, we’ve gone backwards,

Careful it is heresy to criticize the CWU and you will trigger the sensitive CWU happy clappers.

Remember to bend the knee and bow before the great leaders of the CWU.

[Hyrrokkin]

I still don't understand why, if the companies apparently on the verge of going under, would DK spend £3B of his own money buying IDS, why not wait until it went under and then buy if for a £1 like Poundland etc?

Royal Mail owns vast amounts of valuable real estate.

He'll wait a while, then when the time is right turn the service itself into a bargain basement gig economy model and asset strip it.

100%

Plus he is just itching to get half our pension surplus that RM & CWU are going to carve up between themselves

[Barnacle]

To get what you all really want time travel would have to be invented, go back to the last strike vote, this time actually work off the massive "Yes" and take on the company.
But then again people were already breaking the strike and in reality, although you can blame the company all you want, it was us who voted yes to the pay offer, i might not have voted for it but i believe in democracy so had to accept the outcome.
The union are doing the old "drag it out " with the vote and magically they could end up with a yes, Dave and Martin are carried shoulder high around the streets and declared saviours of the post.

As someone else on this thread mentioned, apathy is a major problem. Most do not care about anything outside of their day to day and do not read up on any deal or think beyond the next month. They just come to work, do their hours, go home.
They might vote or they might not, but they definitely will moan for Britain about all sorts. They won’t actually take a couple of minutes to put in a complaint about the union on the CWU website and they won’t bother putting in a grievance about that manager who is a serial knob. They will just moan.

[postslippete]

To get what you all really want time travel would have to be invented, go back to the last strike vote, this time actually work off the massive "Yes" and take on the company.
But then again people were already breaking the strike and in reality, although you can blame the company all you want, it was us who voted yes to the pay offer, i might not have voted for it but i believe in democracy so had to accept the outcome.
The union are doing the old "drag it out " with the vote and magically they could end up with a yes, Dave and Martin are carried shoulder high around the streets and declared saviours of the post.

Yeah, you're not wrong. The last big vote was a turning point and many of us feel like the momentum was squandered. A 90%+ "yes" to strike action should have meant maximum leverage but we ended up with a deal sold as win, tied to vague promises and long term consequences like seasonal variations, two-tier contracts and lost sick again.

And here we are again. Another dragged out ballot, another vague agreement this time being spun off into two or three parts and another pitch from the top table dressed up as the best we could get. It's fair to some that some of us voted for it but it was framed as a "do or die" choice - take the deal or face an uncertain future. With no clear alternative, staff folded like a house of cards.

The real problem is trust. People don't believe that rejecting this deal would lead to a better one. Not because the company would refuse but because they no longer believe that the CWU can or will fight for more. Honestly, for Dave and Martin to be carried shoulder high they would need to:

1. Immediately reverse the two-tier system
2. Restore sick pay
3. Get a real independent review of RM's books

[scotchy1962]

To get what you all really want time travel would have to be invented, go back to the last strike vote, this time actually work off the massive "Yes" and take on the company.
But then again people were already breaking the strike and in reality, although you can blame the company all you want, it was us who voted yes to the pay offer, i might not have voted for it but i believe in democracy so had to accept the outcome.
The union are doing the old "drag it out " with the vote and magically they could end up with a yes, Dave and Martin are carried shoulder high around the streets and declared saviours of the post.

Yeah, you're not wrong. The last big vote was a turning point and many of us feel like the momentum was squandered. A 90%+ "yes" to strike action should have meant maximum leverage but we ended up with a deal sold as win, tied to vague promises and long term consequences like seasonal variations, two-tier contracts and lost sick again.

And here we are again. Another dragged out ballot, another vague agreement this time being spun off into two or three parts and another pitch from the top table dressed up as the best we could get. It's fair to some that some of us voted for it but it was framed as a "do or die" choice - take the deal or face an uncertain future. With no clear alternative, staff folded like a house of cards.

The real problem is trust. People don't believe that rejecting this deal would lead to a better one. Not because the company would refuse but because they no longer believe that the CWU can or will fight for more. Honestly, for Dave and Martin to be carried shoulder high they would need to:

1. Immediately reverse the two-tier system
2. Restore sick pay
3. Get a real independent review of RM's books

Pete i couldn't agree with you more, but the chances of anything of real note happening, apart from a yes vote, i fancy all your great ideas will be left here on this forum.
Neither Dave nor Martin as well as a majority of your fellow workers appear to have the stomach for the battle to get what you want, but who knows maybe they will surprise us by voting NO, that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[steve1873]

Just catching up on this. Ralph comes across online as a thoroughly decent guy. Don't know him personally, but would expect that he probably regrets the tone and the language used and would expect an apology video.