Thank you, wish the offices/union would get communication out and put up in offices, and confirm this for everyone to know and see so it's simple and clear.
I'm sure the period at the shorter weeks in the summer went on for way longer than the shorter period at peak last year.
I think it's been equalised.
All been squared up to now.
but last summers weeks were to make up for 2023s winter weeks
This summer was supposed to make up for 2024s winters longer weeks
Would need to look back and see how many weeks we did longer and shorter each period in 2023/24 to see if it has equalised
in dec 23 when this started we did longer hours for x amount of weeks , so in summer 24 staff was give the 6 weeks x 2 hours = 12 hours owed from dec 23 and they where also given an extra 5 weeks x 2 hours = 10 hours so you would pay it back in dec 24 , and i know this because in summer 24 i had a hip replacement and never received any time back and also i worked the 10 hours in dec 24 so thats 22 hours i have worked for f***ing FREEEEE for this company i have been chasing this up for months hr are ignoring me and i have sent 2 emails to cwu hq regarding this and havent had a reply from them either , so my next stop will be acas .
Tricky one.
I'm sure many were sick in the longer periods and not in the summer.
Will they have to give back them hours to the company, I doubt it and nor should they.
Also presume you received full sick pay while you were off if you have been working for royal mail for more than a year.
Might not get that back to be fair.
seasonal hours didnt involve sick pay as you would have been paid your contracted hours regardless on sick , im more pissed that i had to work the 10 hours in Dec 24 for free .
I know what you are saying and why it is frustrating but you didn't work it for free as such.
You were being paid while your were off work sick.
You would have got the same basic wage if you were in work doing the the 35 hour week.
It was designed around the variations of workload the current USO structure reflects.
There was no structure or knowledge of how the new way of working or USO would look like back when it was agreed.
Things change
If I was a betting man I'd say post will be lower in the summer but higher during peak, although no doubt peak will catch RM by surprise again this year!
Whilst the CWU are denying the USO reforms will be introduced regardless of the outcome of the trials this latest move suggests the reforms are almost certain to be in place by peak, if not later this summer. In fact they probably don't want staff working shorter hours just as the reforms are introduced.
Why was the language changed from pressure to so called peak?
Thank you, wish the offices/union would get communication out and put up in offices, and confirm this for everyone to know and see so it's simple and clear.
I'm sure the period at the shorter weeks in the summer went on for way longer than the shorter period at peak last year.
I think it's been equalised.
All been squared up to now.
but last summers weeks were to make up for 2023s winter weeks
This summer was supposed to make up for 2024s winters longer weeks
Would need to look back and see how many weeks we did longer and shorter each period in 2023/24 to see if it has equalised
in dec 23 when this started we did longer hours for x amount of weeks , so in summer 24 staff was give the 6 weeks x 2 hours = 12 hours owed from dec 23 and they where also given an extra 5 weeks x 2 hours = 10 hours so you would pay it back in dec 24 , and i know this because in summer 24 i had a hip replacement and never received any time back and also i worked the 10 hours in dec 24 so thats 22 hours i have worked for f***ing FREEEEE for this company i have been chasing this up for months hr are ignoring me and i have sent 2 emails to cwu hq regarding this and havent had a reply from them either , so my next stop will be acas .
Tricky one.
I'm sure many were sick in the longer periods and not in the summer.
Will they have to give back them hours to the company, I doubt it and nor should they.
Also presume you received full sick pay while you were off if you have been working for royal mail for more than a year.
Might not get that back to be fair.
seasonal hours didnt involve sick pay as you would have been paid your contracted hours regardless on sick , im more pissed that i had to work the 10 hours in Dec 24 for free .
I know what you are saying and why it is frustrating but you didn't work it for free as such.
You were being paid while your were off work sick.
You would have got the same basic wage if you were in work doing the the 35 hour week.
at the end of the day i still worked 39 hours dec 24 and was only paid 37 hours , when all other staff where given that time in summer to work the 39 hours and i wasnt .
It was designed around the variations of workload the current USO structure reflects.
There was no structure or knowledge of how the new way of working or USO would look like back when it was agreed.
Things change
If I was a betting man I'd say post will be lower in the summer but higher during peak, although no doubt peak will catch RM by surprise again this year!
Whilst the CWU are denying the USO reforms will be introduced regardless of the outcome of the trials this latest move suggests the reforms are almost certain to be in place by peak, if not later this summer. In fact they probably don't want staff working shorter hours just as the reforms are introduced.
It's hard to know for sure. I wouldn't read too much into the cancellation of seasonal variations meaning the USO change will be rushed in.
I makes sense to halt them while more of the trails commence.
There will be more offices trialing different models and patterns of attendance to see what best suits certain offices.
Could be next year before see the full USO reform and the savings they want, but I could be wrong.
It was designed around the variations of workload the current USO structure reflects.
There was no structure or knowledge of how the new way of working or USO would look like back when it was agreed.
Things change
If I was a betting man I'd say post will be lower in the summer but higher during peak, although no doubt peak will catch RM by surprise again this year!
Whilst the CWU are denying the USO reforms will be introduced regardless of the outcome of the trials this latest move suggests the reforms are almost certain to be in place by peak, if not later this summer. In fact they probably don't want staff working shorter hours just as the reforms are introduced.
It's hard to know for sure. I wouldn't read too much into the cancellation of seasonal variations meaning the USO change will be rushed in.
I makes sense to halt them while more of the trails commence.
There will be more offices trialing different models and patterns of attendance to see what best suits certain offices.
Could be next year before see the full USO reform and the savings they want, but I could be wrong.
They want all MC realignments done by early summer so I'd expect the full USO reform to be brought in around the same time
It's virtually guaranteed, why wouldn't the company try and save money by introducing the USO reforms if they get a chance to do it?
Look at it logically it would be madness to have us all working shorter days just when the USO reforms are being brought in, if that's not the reason why are they now content to have us sat/stood around doing nothing when it goes quiet again this summer, as all the season are customers will have less, not more, money to spend this year.
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It was designed around the variations of workload the current USO structure reflects.
There was no structure or knowledge of how the new way of working or USO would look like back when it was agreed.
Things change
If I was a betting man I'd say post will be lower in the summer but higher during peak, although no doubt peak will catch RM by surprise again this year!
Whilst the CWU are denying the USO reforms will be introduced regardless of the outcome of the trials this latest move suggests the reforms are almost certain to be in place by peak, if not later this summer. In fact they probably don't want staff working shorter hours just as the reforms are introduced.
Why was the language changed from pressure to so called peak?
Corporate bullshit talk. RM full of it the same as someone comes up with a strap line that everyone goes round repeating even though
A) they don’t really know what it means
B) it makes no sense
The latest one being some old nonsense around Seasonal Variations were structured around the current USO & whilst trials are ongoing for the ODM it is not known how they will be affected blah blah blah…….
Expect to hear this repeated by the business & CWU non stop over the coming weeks.
Presumably then mail won’t be dropping off over the summer or heavy as hell over Christmas then!!!
Now that Seasonal Variations are no longer flavour of the month they need to update the A/L hours as the ones showing on the App are all over the place.
How comes on delivery everything had to be done yesterday but this sort of thing is just lasse faire.
Only if you’ve got A/L during those 5 summer weeks. The whole A/L hours are messed up on the App - instead of showing 35/37/39 hours booked (under seasonal variations) people have weeks showing 34.4/37.4/39.4 etc . Just effing sort it out
It's virtually guaranteed, why wouldn't the company try and save money by introducing the USO reforms if they get a chance to do it?
Look at it logically it would be madness to have us all working shorter days just when the USO reforms are being brought in, if that's not the reason why are they now content to have us sat/stood around doing nothing when it goes quiet again this summer, as all the season are customers will have less, not more, money to spend this year.
Of course the uso change is coming in regardless of if the trials are successful or not , no private company would turn down that kind of savings. The union though have an opportunity to shape it in a way that will benefit the workforce, let’s see if they do.
Only if you’ve got A/L during those 5 summer weeks. The whole A/L hours are messed up on the App - instead of showing 35/37/39 hours booked (under seasonal variations) people have weeks showing 34.4/37.4/39.4 etc . Just effing sort it out
It’s all due to your Work Schedule held on PSP (HR system) - that’s the root cause so get your manger to sort it out.
So, if we did long hours Dec 2023 & Dec 24 and short hours Summer 2024 then what the hell are OUR union playing at!!
Absolute BARE MINIMUM they should have agreed to is us all being paid the hours owed from Dec 2024 if RM want to 'suspend' this (They should have only agreed to dropping this summer variation on condition of full payment of hours owed PLUS some sort of bonus payment for helping RM out!
I've stuck with the CWU against my better judgement throughout as I think they are a safety net if the company ever try to take the p**s on a disciplinary anytime, but this is just about the last straw
I ditched the union after last surrender deal, best decision I ever made. I have missed nothing from them and saved my money. A total joke of a union.
(They should have only agreed to dropping this summer variation on condition of full payment of hours owed PLUS some sort of bonus payment for helping RM out!