Proposed management structure in Delivery.

[greengiant]

Maybe the next Big Idea, will be "Time Share Frames". Half the office starts in the morning, preps their walk. Then later on after the first half of the office is out, the back shift will come in, and use the same frames after swapping the frame labels over. Bonus means 50% less frames needed, giving more space for parcel sorting!

Seriosly though, I wonder if the end game is eventually franchised walks? With several OPGs put together as a small team of 5 or 6 pairs, covering their own days off / staff absence between themselves?

[Jefferson Starfish]

Maybe the next Big Idea, will be "Time Share Frames". Half the office starts in the morning, preps their walk. Then later on after the first half of the office is out, the back shift will come in, and use the same frames after swapping the frame labels over. Bonus means 50% less frames needed, giving more space for parcel sorting!

That's already been suggested at my DO.

[Woody Guthrie]

2. Any larger office of more then say 60 plus who Royal Mail want to separate as different cost centres and therefore separate individuals to different offices / cost centres so they cannot do overtime in the other cost centre or centres depending on the size of the office.

That's nonsense.
No office whether it's run as one, two or three cost centres is actually going to stop crossover overtime if it's needed, what's the alternative, bring in expensive casuals when there's someone 6 feet away willing to do the work or fail a duty given the publicity surrounding the latest QofS results?

Members already work in different offices under different budgets miles away on overtime.

It's just scaremongering because certain areas are terrified this might impact on their big earning docket kings and queens.

Like I said it either makes sense across the board and the union should support it or it's a pile of nonsense and we should fight it, stop trying to have your cake and eat it.

[Martin Walsh]

Woody I am in. A big office , I can perform overtime throughout that office now. When you separate that office and I am put into a smaller cost centre then I can choose to do overtime in my cost centre. If I want to do overtime in another part of the office which is another cost centre, I will be able to but I will have to wait have the cost centre transferring my hours via PSP as now but my option for overtime will come after those who are in the now smaller centre.

I don’t know if you work in a big office but I do and I know they don’t want to be separated into different cost centres which are basically different offices for leave , overtime , resourcing, revision and MTSF purposes.

[clashcityrocker]

I don’t know if you work in a big office but I do and I know they don’t want to be separated into different cost centres which are basically different offices for leave , overtime , resourcing, revision and MTSF purposes.

I don't know what qualifies as a "big" office but I do know that none of the 100+ people I work with will have a clue what a cost centre is.
If I asked them if they minded being separated into different cost centres they would stare at me blankly like I had come from a different planet.

[Woody Guthrie]

I don’t know if you work in a big office but I do and I know they don’t want to be separated into different cost centres which are basically different offices for leave , overtime , resourcing, revision and MTSF purposes.

That's kind of the point though Martin, why would any office, large small or medium want to be separated into different cost centres so while you're happy your "large" office gets left alone you're quite happy to see other offices having to jump through those hoops.

As I said it's either a good thing or a bad thing, it's not a good thing as long as it doesn't affect you.

I don't know if we're a large office or not but we do have a pool table if that counts.

[Martin Walsh]

Woody I think you got me wrong I don’t believe any office whatsoever size who shares one IPS should be separated into different cost centres.

[Martin Walsh]

How clash if you told them they would now be in separated offices within the same building and will do overtime , leave , revisions and resourcing within those smaller offices within the same building and only be able to use their seniority to choose a duty or potential leave on VR within the smaller office / cost centre I think they may have a strong opinion on it.

[2yearpostie]

more importantly martin, is the idea of getting rid of 50% of the fleet and having 2 shifts between 7am and 10pm gaining any traction?

[Martin Walsh]

Space the mail centre holds the budget for each mail centre and that is the cost centre. Each work area may be targeted to hit a target but there really is not separate budgets.

Royal Mail only operate a budget based on a cost centre and that then tags all employees into that cost centre.

Revenue protection is a different cost centre and operates in that way in a mail centre.

This is why you do one revision realignment and have one productivity target. The reason the Delivery reorg is an issue is that they want to create new cost centres which impact on offices by separating them into different offices even thou they will still have one IPS.

[yellowbelly]

Maybe the next Big Idea, will be "Time Share Frames". Half the office starts in the morning, preps their walk. Then later on after the first half of the office is out, the back shift will come in, and use the same frames after swapping the frame labels over. Bonus means 50% less frames needed, giving more space for parcel sorting!
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That's what Si wants to do with the vans.......

[clashcityrocker]

We have 3 separate IPS areas as a result of the revision.
From the figures quoted here we will have 3 COMs.
I fail to see how any of those 3 will be able to run their area if the annual leave isn't separated as well whether we have one cost centre or 3.

[Cucumber]

Is it just me, or when you read proposals like this do you just think to yourself 'That's not going to happen in our office'.

[2yearpostie]

Is it just me, or when you read proposals like this do you just think to yourself 'That's not going to happen in our office'.

no i just think its another round of royal mail pissing money away trying something everyone tells them wont work and the foot soldiers will just carry on like normal as we have for the last 25yrs or so.

[TopperGas]

We have 3 separate IPS areas as a result of the revision.
From the figures quoted here we will have 3 COMs.
I fail to see how any of those 3 will be able to run their area if the annual leave isn't separated as well whether we have one cost centre or 3.

If the annual leave is separated across your 3 teams what happens in the first year after the change, when annual holidays will have already been booked for the year ahead? You could have one team with half its team on hols another with none away.