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Why is van sharing suspended?!

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Pathfinder
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Why is van sharing suspended?!

Post by Pathfinder »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
can get in a taxi with strangers,
But nobody can instruct you to.
can get on the bus with strangers
But nobody can instruct you to.
You can even go and sit in bars, pubs and restaurants with strangers.
But nobody can instruct you to.
But we can't jump in a van
Because that would be an instruction.
So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)

Figures lol :crazy:
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Post by sindba »

I dare say the risk is massively higher sharing a confined van cabin for lengthy periods than a bus.

Exchanging exhaled droplets in, what, 2 cubic metres of air? Lovely.
Woody Guthrie
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)
No it's bugger all to do with risk level, nobody at Royal Mail is qualified to make a risk level judgement.

It's because in order to resume van sharing they would have to instruct us to van share and that means the danger and any legal consequences would be their responsibility.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
Only dead fish follow the current
Celgar
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Post by Celgar »

sindba wrote:I dare say the risk is massively higher sharing a confined van cabin for lengthy periods than a bus.

Exchanging exhaled droplets in, what, 2 cubic metres of air? Lovely.
It wouldn't be lengthy periods of time as driving to the next loop drop off point might only be a couple of minutes driving time if that.
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Ren Hoëk
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Post by Ren Hoëk »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)
No it's bugger all to do with risk level, nobody at Royal Mail is qualified to make a risk level judgement.

It's because in order to resume van sharing they would have to instruct us to van share and that means the danger and any legal consequences would be their responsibility.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
People are ignorant and can't tell the different between what they want and what is happening. You made it quite clear. It would be my choice to step onto a bus and accept the level of risk. It would not be my choice to van share. To refuse could then also jeopardise my position and livelihood. To accept would jeopardise my and my families health. RM would be the ones placing me in that untenable position. RM aren't willing to expose themselves to that level of litigation.
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I could have swore I read somewhere on RMC that the CWU were actively trying to keep shared van duties within the business once the Covid situation is solved. Our union rep told us the other day though that the union is trying to get rid of them. We have previously heard from higher management in our area that RM want to get rid of shared van duties as well.

This can only lead to a policy of permanent multiple daily shifts in DOs with the later starting shifts partially working in the dark during part of the year. I don't think most posties will want this and it could prove to be more unpopular than shared van duties.
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Post by Acca Dacca »

Celgar wrote:
sindba wrote:I dare say the risk is massively higher sharing a confined van cabin for lengthy periods than a bus.

Exchanging exhaled droplets in, what, 2 cubic metres of air? Lovely.
It wouldn't be lengthy periods of time as driving to the next loop drop off point might only be a couple of minutes driving time if that.
And the duties that are more than a 10 minute drive from the office?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
Cucumber
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Post by Cucumber »

Celgar wrote:
sindba wrote:I dare say the risk is massively higher sharing a confined van cabin for lengthy periods than a bus.

Exchanging exhaled droplets in, what, 2 cubic metres of air? Lovely.
It wouldn't be lengthy periods of time as driving to the next loop drop off point might only be a couple of minutes driving time if that.
Shared van partnership in our office (before covid) were sat beside each other in the vehicle for a minimum of 40 mins each day - that's well above the 15 mins scientists reckon is ample time to contract the virus.
Pathfinder
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Why is van sharing suspended?!

Post by Pathfinder »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)
No it's bugger all to do with risk level, nobody at Royal Mail is qualified to make a risk level judgement.

It's because in order to resume van sharing they would have to instruct us to van share and that means the danger and any legal consequences would be their responsibility.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

Sorry, just thinking outside the box making comparisons. I'll stop now :arrrghhh
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Post by rambo1 »

Pathfinder wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
can get in a taxi with strangers,
But nobody can instruct you to.
can get on the bus with strangers
But nobody can instruct you to.
You can even go and sit in bars, pubs and restaurants with strangers.
But nobody can instruct you to.
But we can't jump in a van
Because that would be an instruction.
So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)

Figures lol :crazy:
Exactly this
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

rambo1 wrote:
Pathfinder wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
can get in a taxi with strangers,
But nobody can instruct you to.
can get on the bus with strangers
But nobody can instruct you to.
You can even go and sit in bars, pubs and restaurants with strangers.
But nobody can instruct you to.
But we can't jump in a van
Because that would be an instruction.
So the powers that be are instructing us not to van share with a mask with people that you've spent 3 hours around (without a mask) because the risk is higher than it is sitting being someone on say, a bus (with a mask)(That you might have to use to get to work)

Figures lol :crazy:
Exactly this
But exactly not this as has been explained many times.
Only dead fish follow the current