Union Meeting

[Deadly]

Royal mail lose about 5000 staff a year through retirement, people leaving..
The 20,000 will be over 4 to 5 year so shouldn't affect anyone

Depends on where the axe falls. If it mostly falls on Mail Centres , Network and Logistics you will notice.

Mail centres seem to have large amounts of agency staff so I suppose these could easily be lost.

[Jpro747]

There will be no i repeat no redundancies especially if

People didn't start early

People used correct working methods lwt, deliver to neighbours ,van checks etc etc etc

People took there breaks

People stopped working there days off

Quite the opposite actually. Quite a few pt workers may then get full time contracts

The problem is some people just won’t listen to this advice. It only takes one person to run round a duty to prove it can be achieved in that time, so all of our efforts to save the job by “doing it properly” will mean nothing.

[yellowbelly]

There will be no i repeat no redundancies especially if

People didn't start early

People used correct working methods lwt, deliver to neighbours ,van checks etc etc etc

People took there breaks

People stopped working there days off

Quite the opposite actually. Quite a few pt workers may then get full time contracts

Don't know about 'no redundancies' but it would make them think about it a lot harder

[clashcityrocker]

The problem is some people just won’t listen to this advice. It only takes one person to run round a duty to prove it can be achieved in that time, so all of our efforts to save the job by “doing it properly” will mean nothing.

Except the duties are made according to agreed tools and not by how quickly anyone does them.
All this no jobs would be lost of everyone did the job properly is nonsense.

I "do the job properly" and finished about 90 minutes early on Tuesday.
How is that going to prevent job losses?
The only thing that saves jobs is having work.

[Marshamp11]

The problem is some people just won’t listen to this advice. It only takes one person to run round a duty to prove it can be achieved in that time, so all of our efforts to save the job by “doing it properly” will mean nothing.

Except the duties are made according to agreed tools and not by how quickly anyone does them.
All this no jobs would be lost of everyone did the job properly is nonsense.

I "do the job properly" and finished about 90 minutes early on Tuesday.
How is that going to prevent job losses?
The only thing that saves jobs is having work.

I did the job properly on Tuesday and went 30 minutes over. Shows how much disparity there is between walks/different offices.

[97gaz]

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[leolion855]

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As my previous post, its illegal to do it purley that way.

I would suspect it's not illegal. Probably for the same sort of reason that it's illegal to age discriminate when employing people. I'm sure Royal Mail would love to employ only young, fit staff but can't because of that reason. If every office is like mine then a last in first out policy would see a varied mix of ages both leaving and staying. We have people in their sixties with only ten years service and people in their thirties with more than ten. To give you an example the last ten people employed by my office range from 18 to 55. It would be a problem if the majority of people who get paid off are from one age group but that's unlikely inRM

But why should someone who has been working there longer have any more entitlement to stay in employment over someone whos just started?, thats unfair and therefore could be classed as unfair dismissal.

[Seymour Buts]

Royal mail lose about 5000 staff a year through retirement, people leaving..
The 20,000 will be over 4 to 5 year so shouldn't affect anyone

Correct. They're not gonna waste money paying people off. Frankly, if redundancy was offered in our office they'd be a que as long as your arm breaking the doms door down to take it! They could easily find the savings they desire through natural turnover.

[Seymour Buts]

What, you don't think the cwu are above scare tactics to get a strong yes vote?

I think the CWU should be above using scare tactics.
It is one thing to say you believe the number of job losses won't be achieved through natural wastage and there may be compulsory redundancies if we don't stand up and fight now and another to start worrying certain groups of people with the threat of compulsory redundancy without any evidence to back it up.
We don't need to stoop to the politics of Farage and if we do we have already lost.

Politics is about scare tactics, mainly because it's effective. The idea unions don't engage in such tactics is naive in the extreme. Part timers are being targeted because the union know they're far less likely to be engaged in the dispute than their full time counterparts.

[ThatsNotPlumb]

We had a union meeting stroke strike update thing this morning, anyone else have one? It was basically telling us all to make sure we had voted and every vote counts and that the younger ones in the office to make sure they vote because it is them RM will go after first should any redundancies come of the whole situation and RM get what they want. But from sitting there looking around most of the younger staff (not all) were chatting among themselves or on their phone or just generally not looking interested at all. So good luck to 'em. Then at the end of the meeting even though there was still 10-15 minutes of break left about 75% of our office ran back downstairs to get out on delivery. That about sums our office up. Moan their sacks off but when it comes to it........

Absolute nonsense & bullshit, this is just as bad if not worse than the scare mongering Royal Mail itself employs to try & get people to vote no. I wouldn't have been paying attention either if this was the s**t they were being told.

The younger employees have no more to worry about than the older employees.

[97gaz]

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[ThatsNotPlumb]

https://www.gov.uk/staff-redundant/comp ... redundancy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As my previous post, its illegal to do it purley that way.

I would suspect it's not illegal. Probably for the same sort of reason that it's illegal to age discriminate when employing people. I'm sure Royal Mail would love to employ only young, fit staff but can't because of that reason. If every office is like mine then a last in first out policy would see a varied mix of ages both leaving and staying. We have people in their sixties with only ten years service and people in their thirties with more than ten. To give you an example the last ten people employed by my office range from 18 to 55. It would be a problem if the majority of people who get paid off are from one age group but that's unlikely in RM

But why should someone who has been working there longer have any more entitlement to stay in employment over someone whos just started?, thats unfair and therefore could be classed as unfair dismissal.

I disagree that it's unfair. It's very hard to discriminate against a particular group in that situation. Age, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, nationality etc. I don't know what alternative would be as fair.

People seem to think that if there are any job loses it will be based on seniority ie last in, first out, I personally think that's a bit delusional.

Given the rise of data collection it wouldn't shock me if they looked at performance when it came to potentially making any redundancies.

[rambo1]

There will be no i repeat no redundancies especially if

People didn't start early

People used correct working methods lwt, deliver to neighbours ,van checks etc etc etc

People took there breaks

People stopped working there days off

Quite the opposite actually. Quite a few pt workers may then get full time contracts

Well said.

[rambo1]

The problem is some people just won’t listen to this advice. It only takes one person to run round a duty to prove it can be achieved in that time, so all of our efforts to save the job by “doing it properly” will mean nothing.

Except the duties are made according to agreed tools and not by how quickly anyone does them.
All this no jobs would be lost of everyone did the job properly is nonsense.

I "do the job properly" and finished about 90 minutes early on Tuesday.
How is that going to prevent job losses?
The only thing that saves jobs is having work.

How the hell do you finish 1.5hrs early on a Tuesday?!! What on earth hours do you work? We have 6hrs 50 mins on a Tuesday , no chance of finishing on time let alone early. Your office needs a good sort out and it will definitely get one. You could / should be fully preping another walk up in your duty time.

[rambo1]

We had a union meeting stroke strike update thing this morning, anyone else have one? It was basically telling us all to make sure we had voted and every vote counts and that the younger ones in the office to make sure they vote because it is them RM will go after first should any redundancies come of the whole situation and RM get what they want. But from sitting there looking around most of the younger staff (not all) were chatting among themselves or on their phone or just generally not looking interested at all. So good luck to 'em. Then at the end of the meeting even though there was still 10-15 minutes of break left about 75% of our office ran back downstairs to get out on delivery. That about sums our office up. Moan their sacks off but when it comes to it........

Absolute nonsense & bullshit, this is just as bad if not worse than the scare mongering Royal Mail itself employs to try & get people to vote no. I wouldn't have been paying attention either if this was the s**t they were being told.

The younger employees have no more to worry about than the older employees.

Jeez, this dispute sounds like one that started in this country in june 2016......that still hasn't been resolved and thats gonna leave us all worse off. Plenty of lies told back then too. The top folk (govt, royal mail or cwu) won't lose out. The ordinary folk (us) will be the losers on both counts. IMHO.