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Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
clashcityrocker
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Post by clashcityrocker »

mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
I think perhaps you need to go out with someone who uses one, to be trained in its proper use.
Adds no time at all and removes the weight from your shoulder/back/hip/knees and feet.
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yellowbelly
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Post by yellowbelly »

1984 wrote:Why do people keep calling it 'collapsing'?
It's called both in the 'Glossary of terms used in RM' thread - 'I say tomato, you say tomahto'
Celgar
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Post by Celgar »

mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
It might be worth you watching some of the cringeworthy WTLL videos on methods of work. Pulling an LWT behind you is awkward to do and it's far easier to push it in front of you. You have to stop at every delivery point even if just for a moment to push the letters through the letterbox at the least anyway. RM also don't advocate sorting through letters while you are walking. Using an LWT does not add any significant amount of time to how long it takes to do the job.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
Route1
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Post by Route1 »

Celgar wrote:
mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
It might be worth you watching some of the cringeworthy WTLL videos on methods of work. Pulling an LWT behind you is awkward to do and it's far easier to push it in front of you. You have to stop at every delivery point even if just for a moment to push the letters through the letterbox at the least anyway. RM also don't advocate sorting through letters while you are walking. Using an LWT does not add any significant amount of time to how long it takes to do the job.
In my opinion the LWT would slow you down as u are starting from stop when leaving every garden. I would also need to stop the LWT at each garden too. If I dont have the LWT, i can continue at the same pace as I am leaving each garden (assuming there is no gate to shut). My mind is saying its going to slow me down at each delivery point where I need to stop the LWT & also "accelerate" off.

I will volunteer to watch the video and give it a trail of a month and see how it goes. I dont need a LWT as I've split the only two loops where i can use a LWT into four as I go past/ near the van anyway. All other loops have blocks of flats so its not feasible.
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Post by Celgar »

Route1 wrote:
Celgar wrote:
mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
It might be worth you watching some of the cringeworthy WTLL videos on methods of work. Pulling an LWT behind you is awkward to do and it's far easier to push it in front of you. You have to stop at every delivery point even if just for a moment to push the letters through the letterbox at the least anyway. RM also don't advocate sorting through letters while you are walking. Using an LWT does not add any significant amount of time to how long it takes to do the job.
In my opinion the LWT would slow you down as u are starting from stop when leaving every garden. I would also need to stop the LWT at each garden too. If I dont have the LWT, i can continue at the same pace as I am leaving each garden (assuming there is no gate to shut). My mind is saying its going to slow me down at each delivery point where I need to stop the LWT & also "accelerate" off.

I will volunteer to watch the video and give it a trail of a month and see how it goes. I dont need a LWT as I've split the only two loops where i can use a LWT into four as I go past/ near the van anyway. All other loops have blocks of flats so its not feasible.
Just let go of the handle and the LWT will stop where it is. When you walk back up the path and exit the property grab the handle and continue walking. There is no need to stop or even slow down. If you chose to walk faster or even jog the wheels will turn faster.
I realise blocks of flats and the security aspect are the main problem with use of the LWT but other than for flights of stairs the LWT is one of RMs few good ideas.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
work
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Post by work »

POSTMAN wrote:How many extra holiday slots did the rep/s negotiate?
Our dom 'hides' the ALL the spare slots {even from his Deputy when he himself (dom), is away on leave...} from general view. Another way of 'divide and rule' management policies making for a "I'm allright Jack B'stard" attitude for the workforce per se. Seems particularly OCD of him to me...especially for using up excess leave garnered via B/HOL in lieu days 'lost' to duty rota d/o. Typical Nosher!
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Post by Navalron »

[quote="seaside"]All year round at our office, most come in before their start time and don't take their breaks. only a very few of us do and when back late they just think we are slow[/quote.

Well why would the DOM change anything when he/she is getting duties covered for nothing. Unbelievable. He must think what a bunch of p....s have I got for staff, who come in early, take no break so they can do lapsing and I can buy another new bmw with my bonus. FFS. :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh :arrrghhh
Burghboy
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Post by Burghboy »

We lapse most days in our office, there are a few who skip breaks run round do their lapsing bit and finish 20 minutes early each day. there was one day the other week they lapsed 6 duties, so they saved the office 27 hours however they ended up paying 29 hours in overtime to get the mail delivered.
yellowbelly
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Post by yellowbelly »

Burghboy wrote:We lapse most days in our office, there are a few who skip breaks run round do their lapsing bit and finish 20 minutes early each day. there was one day the other week they lapsed 6 duties, so they saved the office 27 hours however they ended up paying 29 hours in overtime to get the mail delivered.
It might seem there's no saving, but if some or all of those 29 hours are done by FT'ers, RM are saving on delivery supplement,
pension contributions and if they don't have to employ an extra postie to do those 29 hours they're saving paying holiday pay
when that person would be on holiday.
Momo90210
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Post by Momo90210 »

Celgar wrote:
mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
It might be worth you watching some of the cringeworthy WTLL videos on methods of work. Pulling an LWT behind you is awkward to do and it's far easier to push it in front of you. You have to stop at every delivery point even if just for a moment to push the letters through the letterbox at the least anyway. RM also don't advocate sorting through letters while you are walking. Using an LWT does not add any significant amount of time to how long it takes to do the job.
Ok so please can you explain why management don't enforce us using LWT? Dont forget they are mandatory after all as per the national agreement. Surely if they dont take any extra time they would make us use them every day? I'll tell you why they never have or never will...because they take longer. Simple as that. We also had our dom instructing our work place coaches not to bother showing new starters how to use LWT.
Sledge4211
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Post by Sledge4211 »

I’m a float and my duties don’t lapse at all!! :-) :-)
Marshamp11
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Post by Marshamp11 »

Momo90210 wrote:
Celgar wrote:
mattycash wrote:In my experience pushing or pulling one of those golf type bag carriers puts 15 to 20 minutes on each loop, you have to stop at each drop off & how can you sort your next drop with one hand, using trolleys on my walks you would be out till 5 :no no
It might be worth you watching some of the cringeworthy WTLL videos on methods of work. Pulling an LWT behind you is awkward to do and it's far easier to push it in front of you. You have to stop at every delivery point even if just for a moment to push the letters through the letterbox at the least anyway. RM also don't advocate sorting through letters while you are walking. Using an LWT does not add any significant amount of time to how long it takes to do the job.
Ok so please can you explain why management don't enforce us using LWT? Dont forget they are mandatory after all as per the national agreement. Surely if they dont take any extra time they would make us use them every day? I'll tell you why they never have or never will...because they take longer. Simple as that. We also had our dom instructing our work place coaches not to bother showing new starters how to use LWT.
They can also use the "You wasn't using the LWT and you have injured your back carrying a bag. Put accident report down and shut the door on the way out of my office." Another reason they do not enforce it in my opinion.
PorkPie
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Post by PorkPie »

Makes me howl with laughter when I see people on here talk about Summer lapsing .. this is utilised by management as a legitimate labour planning tool EVERY day of the year in our office .. there is not one single day when they don't post a lapsing plan on the board .. even during Christmas duties .. "Summer lapsing" .. lol
par4mrl
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Post by par4mrl »

We are fortunate not to do lapsing in our office.....thank god for the intervention of the 5 or more managers we have in an office of only 20 duties....boy can they run an office....even wearing postman’s uniforms.....isn’t life great
k979aaa
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Post by k979aaa »

1984 wrote:Why do people keep calling it 'collapsing'?
Probably because that is what eventually happens to all these who perform this insidious task aimed at making management bonuses a reality. But in return has a detrimental affect on the long term health of those who are made to do it and they wonder why the sick is so high and the turnover of staff!