march 12th looming

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 04 Mar 2018, 16:01

Phantom wrote: - 39 hours on mainly outdoor work would be a killer.

Whereas 35 hours on mainly outdoor work would be what exactly?

Decky Boy · Post by **Decky Boy** » 04 Mar 2018, 16:11

I'll be voting YES. It's a good deal... If you cannot see that I ask that you look again at the proposals before you vote and reconsider. I'll concede it is not the deal of the century ... but it'll do. When one considers where we started from it's beefy enough... and certainly was hard one.

If you reject this agreement you'd best reject your union also. I applaud the tenacity and indefatigability of our top union officials. Like many of you I stood at gate meetings with banners urging all to support the CWU and the four pillars. I wore the badge and as part of a democratic organisation I entrusted the hard work of negotiating the future to more senior members of my Union.

They've returned a first class delivery and I won't be deserting them (or the fight) now. Many on this Forum have taken cheap shots at Terry and our negotiators and offered nothing in return ? ? ?
Having a point of view is fine (and fair) but best back it up with your demands... lest others on here may consider you the fool ! ! !
Vote Yes

loverman shabba · Post by **loverman shabba** » 04 Mar 2018, 16:21

I'm just wondering how long until Royal Mail sell up. I can see amazon taking over

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 04 Mar 2018, 16:55

I agree it's not better than the DB scheme but it far out weighs the DC scheme.

It's a target pension subject to change so you can only really say whether it's better than anything when you've had it. I'll write a full review on my deathbed.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 04 Mar 2018, 17:01

clashcityrocker wrote:
Phantom wrote: - 39 hours on mainly outdoor work would be a killer.
Whereas 35 hours on mainly outdoor work would be what exactly?

a killer

.... if it DOES go the way people on here think, then the deliveries shouldn't be THAT much different from now. 35 hrs. five - 7hr days. 30 mins break =6hr.30mins....there HAS to been some indoor work, i.e. prepping for outdoors....marking up packets, redirections, kill offs, bundling up/bagging up, getting reggies, PDAs, loading it all onto the van, last minute toilet visit. so all that could be, lets say...1hr.30mins....conveyance there 5/10mins...conveyance back 5/10 mins.. giving us a delivery span of roughly 4hrs 45 min. same as we have now. whats there to be upset about?? and a 31 quid payrise into the mix. its all tickety-boo to me.

princess · Post by **princess** » 04 Mar 2018, 17:09

am I missing something here . what is definetly set in stone, pensions NO, pay WITH STRINGS that we know nothing about, all SUBJECT TO TRIALS,different start times TO BE CONFIRMED,for the time all this has taken Im sorry I think its a poor show from the union especially after the cock up pre original strike.all false promises AGAIN and I am a true union person for last 40 yrs. im so disappointed.if its a yes , I think were stuffed. time to retire.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 04 Mar 2018, 17:23

i think you can count on it being voted in. if I was a gambling man I would put my house on it.

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 04 Mar 2018, 18:16

daveyeff wrote:i think you can count on it being voted in. if I was a gambling man I would put my house on it.

I am a gambling man i would bet your house on it as well. To be fair no bookmaker would give you odds worth taking its a sure thing a walkover.

big ginger · Post by **big ginger** » 04 Mar 2018, 18:53

princess wrote:Arnold and slinder , can you tell me if your times are changing,or if you have kids to pick up from school,back pay is ours anyway,dangle the ££££££s and the sheep will follow. pensions nothing concrete,pay with [ subject to whatever they want ] im all for non strikes ive been at the gate for all of them and got screwed everytime. NOT THIS TIME sorry!!!!!!

You're dead right Princess. The only thing certain is the pay deal part. No half educated person in their right mind would vote for something they know nothing about. There is far too many uncertainties about this deal. The 1 hour reduction in October is subject to trials. On pensions this new scheme "subject to government approval" will see us much worse off in retirement.

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 04 Mar 2018, 19:16

big no from me
there setting up part pensions this scheme that scheme for one reason
corporate theft
give it a couple of years

wf · Post by wf » 04 Mar 2018, 19:38

Phantom wrote:
wf wrote:The roadshow in itself makes me think this agreement is bad
There is no way in the world we should be voting on a pay rise going back to last April alongside our pensions that we will be relying on at some point
Who’s decision was it to lump all this in together ?
The pension is not solved as yet , so maybe we should not be voting on it just yet .
The pay rise I’m sure was recommended by a third party and not Royal Mail or Cwu
The union I feel have a tried to save face here by bundling this headline grabbing rise in ,and making the so called selfish greedy postmen look bad for voting no
They should really be a bit more honest with what the bigger picture is and what the 35 hour week will really mean
This is utter bollocks!

The pay rise is backdated to October at 5% and includes all overtime and allowances and then this continues right through to April 2019 where we will get another 2%. For FT it = £21 per week.
The pension is on it's second reading in parliament and therefore is guaranteed to get the green light. I agree it's not better than the DB scheme but it far out weighs the DC scheme.
The 35 hour is essential for when automation is at nearly 100% for all delivery offices this will shorten delivery spans - 39 hours on mainly outdoor work would be a killer.

Taking of utter bollocks ,
What bollocks are you spreading
No one knows if the pension will get the green light or not
Unless you know differently !
Because the pay rise is back dated to October ,doesn’t mean you weren’t due it from the start of the financial year ,which is April incase your not too sure
As for deliveries getting shorter ,you are mad aren’t you .

dodger71 · Post by **dodger71** » 04 Mar 2018, 20:26

the deal will go through...but i'm voting a big fat no no no ...f*ck all protection for delivery staff in writing only if's and but's ...shame on you cwu hq ....all the delivery staff ever asked for was a manageable and fair daily work load free from pressure by management..by bully boy tactics ...on a daily basis .... pay fine..pension???...bulling and harassment ...NOTHING

princess · Post by **princess** » 04 Mar 2018, 21:12

sorry but it stinks of backhanders ,and that's hard for me to say . for gods sake union what happened !!!!!!

princess · Post by **princess** » 04 Mar 2018, 21:14

that's me done. nothing else to say . let common sense prevail !!!!!!!

Post by **stephen500** » 05 Mar 2018, 16:16

It's a yes from me. Can't see getting any thing better. When I look at what RM wanted. If I was younger I would not be sure of the pension. Not enough info to make an informed decision. Lot's of nos here. But RM chat is not representative of the whole union. I haven't heard one person where I work, say he/she would vote no. The back pay will swing it for many. £600 in my hand.