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k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 04 Feb 2018, 20:49

aiden01 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
awesomepenguin wrote:Breaks are usually in the wrong place. Usually they are plonked about 90 mins or so into an 8 hour shift. What utter rubbish! The CWU are guilty of agreeing to this at local level.

Also taking 20 minutes at the end of a shift is wrong in my opinion. A break is meant to be a break in your working day. Not a mechanism to enable people to get flyers.

We are our own worst enemy at times.
It's in the way forward agreement voted on and passed it is excepted even at management level that half of your meal relief can be taken at the end if you so wish you can take it all in one go or split it up and you can take it when you want not at the behest of management whims!
does this include mc's.

The way forward agreement encompasses all functions if you are so interested it is in the download section if I was in the mail centre that is the rules I would adhere to!

deggyg · Post by **deggyg** » 04 Feb 2018, 21:19

TheTrolleyMan wrote:
deggyg wrote:I’m definitely not a runner, it was all down to the fact I refused to do lapsing.
I informed him that I was going to take half my break before I went out, that’s when he insisted I have it in the canteen.
I told him I can take it where ever I like, he just didn’t like the fact I was going to take my break, unlike the majority who don’t bother, and so accommodate lapsing
He has to treat all his staff the same or he is targeting you in which case put a grievance in against him

Don’t worry, that’s going to be submitted first thing tomorrow morning

Post by **aiden01** » 04 Feb 2018, 22:16

k979aaa wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
awesomepenguin wrote:Breaks are usually in the wrong place. Usually they are plonked about 90 mins or so into an 8 hour shift. What utter rubbish! The CWU are guilty of agreeing to this at local level.

Also taking 20 minutes at the end of a shift is wrong in my opinion. A break is meant to be a break in your working day. Not a mechanism to enable people to get flyers.

We are our own worst enemy at times.
It's in the way forward agreement voted on and passed it is excepted even at management level that half of your meal relief can be taken at the end if you so wish you can take it all in one go or split it up and you can take it when you want not at the behest of management whims!
does this include mc's.
The way forward agreement encompasses all functions if you are so interested it is in the download section if I was in the mail centre that is the rules I would adhere to!

Was just asking thanks

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 04 Feb 2018, 22:49

aiden01 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
aiden01 wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
awesomepenguin wrote:Breaks are usually in the wrong place. Usually they are plonked about 90 mins or so into an 8 hour shift. What utter rubbish! The CWU are guilty of agreeing to this at local level.

Also taking 20 minutes at the end of a shift is wrong in my opinion. A break is meant to be a break in your working day. Not a mechanism to enable people to get flyers.

We are our own worst enemy at times.
It's in the way forward agreement voted on and passed it is excepted even at management level that half of your meal relief can be taken at the end if you so wish you can take it all in one go or split it up and you can take it when you want not at the behest of management whims!
does this include mc's.
The way forward agreement encompasses all functions if you are so interested it is in the download section if I was in the mail centre that is the rules I would adhere to!
Was just asking thanks

No problem.

crimson king · Post by **crimson king** » 05 Feb 2018, 01:36

JKSmudge wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:Why still the obsession with breaks, or rather not having them.
You've all had your revisions you all have on paper your duty structures why is it so hard.
Or is it a case of I'll do what I want.
Can I ask what you mean by this ? as I cannot be the only one who doesn't have a clue what you are talking about.

Nope, not the only one. No idea what a duty structure is....paper or otherwise. But then I'm part time, it's probably pro rata, whatever it is.....

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 05 Feb 2018, 07:46

JKSmudge wrote:Of course I know my start and finish times... the conversation was about breaks. It is very frustrating at times when so many acronyms are used in RM, there seems to be a fixation on using these codes, I have learned a few but then someone throws '318s' into the mix.....

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 56&t=68169" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

318 Old name for a walk log. It details breaks, start and finish time and other information specific to that duty

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 05 Feb 2018, 07:48

crimson king wrote:
JKSmudge wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:Why still the obsession with breaks, or rather not having them.
You've all had your revisions you all have on paper your duty structures why is it so hard.
Or is it a case of I'll do what I want.
Can I ask what you mean by this ? as I cannot be the only one who doesn't have a clue what you are talking about.
Nope, not the only one. No idea what a duty structure is....paper or otherwise. But then I'm part time, it's probably pro rata, whatever it is.....

The tasks that duty is to perform, what the start and finish time is. When are the breaks planned, when and if you should double prep or IPs etc. The walk log.

crimson king · Post by **crimson king** » 05 Feb 2018, 07:58

Okay, thanks, interesting. Never seen one.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 05 Feb 2018, 08:02

crimson king wrote:Okay, thanks, interesting. Never seen one.

Then someone is f***ing up as part of the Walk Log for deliveries should warn the postie of ALL health and safety hazards, dogs, slippy paths lose grates etc. If a postie has a serious accident, or incident with a dog, and the HSE investigate the managers will need to do a lot of explaining.

crimson king · Post by **crimson king** » 05 Feb 2018, 08:11

They were mentioned at the induction, but never seen one. I'll ask to see the one for my duty as I've given the lino two documents about dogs and slip hazards (manager had a talk about it one morning, asking everyone to make a list and I think I was the only swot who did), so it'll be interesting to see if that info has been added.

awesomepenguin · Post by **awesomepenguin** » 05 Feb 2018, 08:54

k979aaa wrote:
awesomepenguin wrote:Breaks are usually in the wrong place. Usually they are plonked about 90 mins or so into an 8 hour shift. What utter rubbish! The CWU are guilty of agreeing to this at local level.

Also taking 20 minutes at the end of a shift is wrong in my opinion. A break is meant to be a break in your working day. Not a mechanism to enable people to get flyers.

We are our own worst enemy at times.
It's in the way forward agreement voted on and passed it is excepted even at management level that half of your meal relief can be taken at the end if you so wish you can take it all in one go or split it up and you can take it when you want not at the behest of management whims!

I know it's in the way forward. But that doesn't make it right. Meal break, meal relief, dinner break whatever you want to call it should be just that - a break in your working day.

Break

noun

a pause in work or during an activity or event.

Now the key word there for me is "during". Not at the start or the end. Like I said we are our own worst enemies.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 05 Feb 2018, 10:11

There are some very bad reps, coaches and colleagues out there.
Unbelievable how a lot of offices are!

Never known a business like this one.

korky · Post by **korky** » 05 Feb 2018, 10:18

i thought it was agreed to take a minimum of half your break during your shift, use it or lose it we were told,
we do have some exemptions in our d/o who can take the whole lot at the end (currently around 90%) who do this

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 06 Feb 2018, 17:01

korky wrote:i thought it was agreed to take a minimum of half your break during your shift, use it or lose it we were told,
we do have some exemptions in our d/o who can take the whole lot at the end (currently around 90%) who do this

Different offices run things in different ways. The official line for full time employees is that you get two lots of 20 minute breaks. RM expect and judge that you will take one of those 20 minute breaks either before you leave the DO or while you are out on delivery. It is expected that break times should be taken away from your working area/sorting frame. Unfortunately a lot of DOs don't have canteens or an area suitable to take breaks in away from your work station/area. If you don't take that first break in RMs eyes it is 'gone' and you cannot add that first 20 minutes to the end of your duty to make a 40 minute break. By non RM law the second 20 minute break can be taken at the end of your duty though.

Glp28357 · Post by **Glp28357** » 06 Feb 2018, 17:21

I've posted before, asking for advice relating to meal breaks when you are on a town walk on housing estates with a HCT and no facilities what so ever like cafes, pubs, shops, toilets or even a park bench - just me, my HCT and seemingly endless streets of houses. I got no advice whatsoever, apart from one joker who suggested sitting on the HCT! It's ok if you're in a van, as you have some shelter from the elements, somewhere to sit whilst having a drink or bite to eat and also the means to go to the nearest pub, McDonalds etc or even back to the delivery office if you need the toilet.