This 'Lapsing' nonsense

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 19 Sep 2016, 20:10

k979aaa wrote: As too the future the writing is on the wall for job and finish and any arrangement's for early Saturdays and all the other s**t that goes on for it's us and them a war with attrition at it's forefront!

Job and finish has gone already, went with the pay & mod

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 19 Sep 2016, 20:56

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote: As too the future the writing is on the wall for job and finish and any arrangement's for early Saturdays and all the other s**t that goes on for it's us and them a war with attrition at it's forefront!
Job and finish has gone already, went with the pay & mod

A lot don't think it's so up and down the land.

hampshireman · Post by **hampshireman** » 20 Sep 2016, 17:42

fishtank wrote:
Newbie001 wrote:Until they stop job and finish, which still happens in a lot of offices. People are going keep coming in early, not taking breaks and rushing in the hope they finish early. And managers are going to see all the early finishers and keep lapsing duties. Totally agree, we bring it on ourselves.
They stopped it in 2007.
The fact that a national agreement is not adhered to is unfortunately the fault of the office rep through the weekly resource meeting and the national officers who all know the consequences of allowing a practice that undermines jobs.

The carrot is there because management at local level are allowed to put it there, blaming the donkey for eating it is lazy.

Fish;

A point well made (and funny).

In my office ... well Ghost overtime is still allowed and encouraged ( coz otherwise the OT does not get done)

Finishing before time is still allowed ( unless there is a crisis and then some will be sent out to do a road or packets)

Early starters are not pulled up ... and as the DOM said ' why should I change their behaviour... they give me free time'

Oh well.. People will never change .... until they don't have a job.

Post by **eastie** » 20 Sep 2016, 20:41

ScousePostie wrote:This week we lapsed on Wednesday only. Doesn't make any sense at all. Lighter days no lapsing, heaviest day of the week... lets lapse.

ats a bit stupid by management as Wednesday is the busiest day nobody would do lapsing

WOBBLY · Post by **WOBBLY** » 20 Sep 2016, 21:44

Just follow the overrunning procedures and there's naff all management can do about it ;)

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Post by **Anonymouse** » 22 Sep 2016, 18:13

I'm working with a full timer this week and she keeps agreeing to lapse before i come in. The duties run over as it is so lapsing is usually a no go unless it is quiet.
I look like the bad guy having to chase up the manager and saying no to it. grr!

Worst part is she doesn't drive so can't go do it on her own since she said she'd do it.

Ozzvaldo · Post by **Ozzvaldo** » 22 Sep 2016, 19:25

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote: As too the future the writing is on the wall for job and finish and any arrangement's for early Saturdays and all the other s**t that goes on for it's us and them a war with attrition at it's forefront!
Job and finish has gone already, went with the pay & mod

We've been doing new methods/park and loop for nearly 6 years and in general, but not absolutely, HCT delivery staff are finishing up to an hour before time and going home, while some of the shared van duties are going up to an hour over on the same day. Our management are adamant that there is no need for a revision.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 23 Sep 2016, 15:15

SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote: As too the future the writing is on the wall for job and finish and any arrangement's for early Saturdays and all the other s**t that goes on for it's us and them a war with attrition at it's forefront!
Job and finish has gone already, went with the pay & mod

I think the point is job and finish only stopped on paper.
It suits management so they encourage it.
It suits some members especially in "militant" areas so the union turns a blind eye.

Given that situation it's not only stupid blaming the staff, it's also providing a place to hide for those responsible.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 23 Sep 2016, 16:16

fishtank wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
k979aaa wrote: As too the future the writing is on the wall for job and finish and any arrangement's for early Saturdays and all the other s**t that goes on for it's us and them a war with attrition at it's forefront!
Job and finish has gone already, went with the pay & mod

I think the point is job and finish only stopped on paper.
It suits management so they encourage it.
It suits some members especially in "militant" areas so the union turns a blind eye.

Given that situation it's not only stupid blaming the staff, it's also providing a place to hide for those responsible.

I agree, it suits some Postie's who get on with management I.e. long term friends/colleagues or those who regularly do 'ghost' overtime like someone on here mentioned.

One may be inclined to think that the only way royal mail can make savings is by adding more loops on for those poor souls out on deliveries. What's it like for those who work in processing?? Do they get s*it on every week by managrs? do they still get a very generous shift allowance plus door to door payments ?(even though they don't actually deliver any)

Mikky · Post by **Mikky** » 02 Oct 2016, 14:13

If there wasn't job and finish surely no one would be silly enough to do the lapsing?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 02 Oct 2016, 17:20

postslippete wrote:What's it like for those who work in processing?? Do they get s*it on every week by managrs? do they still get a very generous shift allowance plus door to door payments ?(even though they don't actually deliver any)

No one gets a d2d suppliment, delivery staff get a delivery supplement which has nothing to do with the number of d2d items delivered by delivery staff. Jobs are lapsed all the time in MCs, if they don't get casuals in, things fail the staffing levels are so low now