trackers in vans

[bustedflush]

Does that mean that if a deer or something runs out in front of me, I shouldn't brake (sharply), or it will be a black mark?

Which is easier
(a) explaining why, as an isolated incident, you braked suddenly or
(b) filling in the accident report and explaining significant damage to your van and the death of a deer ?

The black mark will be on the deer from your plastic bumper.
The DIM will likely suspend you for 'Poaching during working hours'.

So brake.

[datasaint]

If you're driving correctly, and why wouldn't you be, then you've nothing to worry about.

How do they know who's driving though in a P&L pair??

Whoever was signed in the log book at the time.

Well in our office duties frequently sign both driver/passenger initials in the book.

If you are delivering lapse and it's a loop that has to be split in half, the driver drops the passenger off, drives to half way point in loop, passenger drives from half-way point to end of loop to pick up driver.

There's loads of scenarios where driving duties are shared. So RM need to explicitly ban the "passenger" from driving if they are going to enforce this driving telemetry.

[NewPostieUK]

Well in our office duties frequently sign both driver/passenger initials in the book.

If you are delivering lapse and it's a loop that has to be split in half, the driver drops the passenger off, drives to half way point in loop, passenger drives from half-way point to end of loop to pick up driver.

There's loads of scenarios where driving duties are shared. So RM need to explicitly ban the "passenger" from driving if they are going to enforce this driving telemetry.

You are doing wrong.

[maximus12]

In my office there is no driver or passenger, both can drive as and when. So there would be no way of knowing who was drivibg at a certain time.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Driver Responsibility
While using shared vans, drivers must follow instructions (contained in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles policy, located on the 6 phase intranet site) by completing the logbook as described. Under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Royal Mail has a legal obligation to provide, when required, details on the identity of any driver using a vehicle at a particular time. In order to fulfil this obligation, the Vehicle Condition & Mileage Logbook (the logbook) will be used as the primary day-to-day control record.

For the purposes of the Road Traffic Act 1988, the driver whose name is last recorded in the logbook will be considered responsible for the roadworthiness and security of the vehicle until responsibility is transferred to the next driver by signature in the logbook. Only the driver whose name is recorded in the logbook may drive the vehicle until responsibility is transferred. Subsequent drivers must carry out at least a “duty” level (roadworthiness) vehicle check before driving and the vehicle logbook must be completed in line with the example used in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles Policy, located in the 6 phase intranet site).

In my office there is no driver or passenger, both can drive as and when. So there would be no way of knowing who was drivibg at a certain time.

Then all 3 of you - the pairing and your manager may be found further guilty under the Road Traffic Act 1988 Ch 52 Part VII Section 172 Other duties to give information or documents http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/172" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; especially if you are caught speeding, or parking illegally by an automated process.

(5)Where a body corporate is guilty of an offence under this section and the offence is proved to have been committed with the consent or connivance of, or to be attributable to neglect on the part of, a director, manager, secretary or other similar officer of the body corporate, or a person who was purporting to act in any such capacity, he, as well as the body corporate, is guilty of that offence and liable to be proceeded against and punished accordingly.

(6)Where the alleged offender is a body corporate, or in Scotland a partnership or an unincorporated association, or the proceedings are brought against him by virtue of subsection (5) above or subsection (11) below, subsection (4) above shall not apply unless, in addition to the matters there mentioned, the alleged offender shows that no record was kept of the persons who drove the vehicle and that the failure to keep a record was reasonable.

I would STRONGLY suggest getting the rep or Branch involved for all of your sakes, beacuse the defence of reasonable goes out the window when RM has an agreement to cover exactly the case in point.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think if they fit trackers to your vans then by law they have to tell you,, did at the last place I worked

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[The Backbone]

Why not use all their 'spying' antics as your best defense?? stick to speed limits, park in safe places so when you cut off they can track what you have done and where you have been and will have no case to argue as all the evidence will be on your side providing you do the job as they have instructed you to!!

[RAF_75]

The question about shared vans was asked at my induction today, only one person can sign one out and drive it, if the passenger drives they are not insured

[rambo1]

If you're driving correctly, and why wouldn't you be, then you've nothing to worry about.

How do they know who's driving though in a P&L pair??

Only one person is suposed to drive the van in your pair. If the passenger drives and has an accident/ incident heor she can be conducted.

If you fill the log book in every time you change driver there should be no problem.

[postie0000]

little black box with 2 fuses in hanging about in fuse box area ;-) dont forget to put them back when u finished ;-)

[Dorset Plodder]

Presume this will fall under the Standard Royal Mail Statement of....."We expect you to abide by the speed limits and wear seat belts at all times and park in safe areas etc"....... and at the same time load more and more onto Posties, AND still expect them to finish at the same time.

They don't really give a s**t about how you drive....they just want the job done. "Treat the vehicle as you would your own car"! Well I wouldn't go up half the tracks I do if I was in my own car and I don't have to jump in, and out, of my car over 150 times a day (replacing my seat belt ever time of course)!

The more technology these Dickheads give us just justifies them sitting on their Fat Arses in an Office looking at a Computer Screen! All we need is achievable workloads done by a sufficient number of staff. It's not bloody rocket science!

[SpacePhoenix]

little black box with 2 fuses in hanging about in fuse box area ;-) dont forget to put them back when u finished ;-)

It wouldn't take RM long to notice it not working and you'd probably get the sack for interfering with it

[DGP1]

little black box with 2 fuses in hanging about in fuse box area ;-) dont forget to put them back when u finished ;-)

It wouldn't take RM long to notice it not working and you'd probably get the sack for interfering with it

But it's where I leave my tinfoil wrapped sandwiches

[wannabeek]

So have many of you got these yet? We've a few here and I get bleeped by it occasionally when stopping at a junction - it went to an amber light once too. I do apparently drive like out of Miss Daisy tho so it's not a massive bother to me. I reckon many of the loony drivers must be having kittens about having them!

[meercat]

Driver Responsibility
Only the driver whose name is recorded in the logbook may drive the vehicle until responsibility is transferred. Subsequent drivers must carry out at least a “duty” level (roadworthiness) vehicle check before driving and the vehicle logbook must be completed in line with the example used in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles Policy.

Didn't know a passenger can not legally drive the vehicle. More people need to know this!