Signing in/out

[postslippete]

Im guessing their partner does it?


Anyway, it is health & safety because why would a manager use it to call out staffs names when there is a fire drill?? Health & Safety may not be important to us, but it is paramount to everything that Royal Mail do

So rather than risk being conduct coded or not being paid....we should not even be questioning it....just do it!!!

[rubberbond]

so how does this work for the people that get dropped off at home??

See the post by our friend Acca Dacca,above.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

its also worth point out that the fire brigade actually prefer that medium to larger sized premises used fire wardens with a sweep and baton type of system rather than using a roll call, this basically due to similar issues raised here with staff not signing in/out, large numbers of visitors to site etc

[Spedley]

Signing in and out is only a legal requirement because an employer must ensure you are not working more hours than you are permitted to.

Fire regulations have nothing to do with it - fire fighters must sweep the building regardless of who is in there. It does help them to know roughly how many and where they are but they still have to check everywhere else as well.

But if they know everyone is out because all those that have not signed out are present at the roll call, then there is no need for them to waste resoursces of risk lives when there is no need to do so.

But what if a customer asked to use the toilet or the vending machine man forgot to sign in or I went out delivering 9am specials and came back or the little git who broke in and started the fire was stuck in the office or I signed out but nipped back in for a P739s or etc...

The firemen are not wasting resources looking for people - If it is safe they will look and if it is too dangerous they won't go in anyway.

[Acca Dacca]

Where was the concern for health and safety in event of a fire when it was job and finish/when we worked out of boxes?

[postslippete]

But what if a customer asked to use the toilet or the vending machine man forgot to sign in or I went out delivering 9am specials and came back or the little git who broke in and started the fire was stuck in the office or I signed out but nipped back in for a P739s or etc...

The firemen are not wasting resources looking for people - If it is safe they will look and if it is too dangerous they won't go in anyway

Having worked in the callers office if a customer or the vending machine man were to come into the office, they have to be signed in and are issued with a visitors badge. They are quite strict about this.

Where was the concern for health and safety in event of a fire when it was job and finish/when we worked out of boxes?

Where was the concern for health & safety before we all had to wear orange bibs? Where was the concern for health & safety before we started using light weight trolleys??

Unless you have been living in a cave, Royal Mail are now so health & safety conscious its untrue! The health & safety of staff is Royal Mail's number one priority (not profit believe it or not!). The signing in/out sheets are not perfect as you mentioned, but the fact that the OP mentioned that he wouldn't be paid if he keeps forgetting to sign in/out properly should tell you, that it is something that Royal Mail don't always turn a blind eye to.

[halfull]

when the people who get dropped off at home or walk home as they live on their walks start to come back & sign out i will.

[Acca Dacca]

But what if a customer asked to use the toilet or the vending machine man forgot to sign in or I went out delivering 9am specials and came back or the little git who broke in and started the fire was stuck in the office or I signed out but nipped back in for a P739s or etc...

The firemen are not wasting resources looking for people - If it is safe they will look and if it is too dangerous they won't go in anyway

Having worked in the callers office if a customer or the vending machine man were to come into the office, they have to be signed in and are issued with a visitors badge. They are quite strict about this.

Where was the concern for health and safety in event of a fire when it was job and finish/when we worked out of boxes?

Where was the concern for health & safety before we all had to wear orange bibs? Where was the concern for health & safety before we started using light weight trolleys??

Unless you have been living in a cave, Royal Mail are now so health & safety conscious its untrue! The health & safety of staff is Royal Mail's number one priority (not profit believe it or not!). The signing in/out sheets are not perfect as you mentioned, but the fact that the OP mentioned that he wouldn't be paid if he keeps forgetting to sign in/out properly should tell you, that it is something that Royal Mail don't always turn a blind eye to.

When it suits them is the answer.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

But what if a customer asked to use the toilet or the vending machine man forgot to sign in or I went out delivering 9am specials and came back or the little git who broke in and started the fire was stuck in the office or I signed out but nipped back in for a P739s or etc...

The firemen are not wasting resources looking for people - If it is safe they will look and if it is too dangerous they won't go in anyway

Having worked in the callers office if a customer or the vending machine man were to come into the office, they have to be signed in and are issued with a visitors badge. They are quite strict about this.

Where was the concern for health and safety in event of a fire when it was job and finish/when we worked out of boxes?

Where was the concern for health & safety before we all had to wear orange bibs? Where was the concern for health & safety before we started using light weight trolleys??

Unless you have been living in a cave, Royal Mail are now so health & safety conscious its untrue! The health & safety of staff is Royal Mail's number one priority (not profit believe it or not!). The signing in/out sheets are not perfect as you mentioned, but the fact that the OP mentioned that he wouldn't be paid if he keeps forgetting to sign in/out properly should tell you, that it is something that Royal Mail don't always turn a blind eye to.

Think you are mis quoting someone else as me. I never said that bit you have put me down as quoting

[piranha]

Im guessing their partner does it?


Anyway, it is health & safety because why would a manager use it to call out staffs names when there is a fire drill?? Health & Safety may not be important to us, but it is paramount to everything that Royal Mail do

Not in my office, H&S is completely ignored, it takes up valuable time, time that could be used to lapse more walks!

[postslippete]

Are you a big fish in a small pond piranha?


I say this as larger offices usually have health & safety reps as well as local union reps.

Anyway if you all band together and work to your scheduled finished times then Royal Mail would probably have less of an incentive to 'lapse' more duties. Then you will all have the time to sign in and out as well. Those who conveniently forget to sign out when they leave the office (like the OP who started this discussion), well, its a bit like staff who don't bother wearing their hi-vi's in the yard or those who like wearing white trainers just to p*ss off their manager. But why? Its only going to give them grief in the long run - to the extent of not being paid or disciplined.

In our office our signing sheets are recorded as thus: sign in when you arrive to the office, sign out when you leave onto delivery (this is what the OP fails to do) and then sign off to say you have finished your shift for the day. The only exception Royal Mail makes are those who live on delivery do not always have to come back to the office to sign off to say that they have finished their shift - providing they have signed out.

[Acca Dacca]

. The only exception Royal Mail makes are those who live on delivery do not always have to come back to the office to sign off to say that they have finished their shift - providing they have signed out.

This is what they are trying to enforce in some offices and where the problems arise.