Smoking near the door

[CT10]

It's disrespectful in the extreme to call someone's answer 'stupid'.

Unless it is.

Which it is

[postypie]

What a drag.

[dvbuk55]

What a drag.

[POSTMAN]

Some poor and wankey answers,thought we were here to help each other.

When the ban came in,protocol was to sort out a designated area for the smokers,and Nat,have a word with the wankey manager,what is going on is not on.

To: All Branches with Postal Members

Regional Health and Safety Forums and Regional Secretaries

Dear Colleagues,

Smoking Rooms in Royal Mail Buildings, Smoking Shelters and Outside Designated Smoking Areas on Royal Mail Premises

Further to previous Letters to Branches and BOB Paragraphs on the new "Smokefree" legislation, this is to inform Branches and Area Safety Reps that the revised Royal Mail Group Smoking Policy is still to be finalised by the Royal Mail Board - a decision having been deferred by the board at it's meeting on 21 March.

All Smoking Rooms in Scotland closed in order to comply with legislation introduced on 29 March 2006 and smoking rooms in other RM group Buildings will be closed and be locked on 2 April in Wales, 30 April in Northern Ireland and finally on 1 July in England when the new legislation comes in to force in those parts of the UK along with Royal Mail Group's new Smoking Policy of which we await finalisation and publication.

Questions have been raised regarding the future use of former smoking rooms, existing smoking shelters and new outside designated smoking areas. The questions fall into 3 main areas:-

· Will Smoking Shelters be retained and modified to meet the new smokefree legislation ?

The Union has been pressing Royal Mail to provide Shelters which meet the new legislation by modifying and where necessary moving existing shelters. Royal Mail's present position to provide no new shelters and to close and decommission all existing Shelters which do not comply with the new legislation (which is probably all of them). The Union has made strong representations, asking them to reconsider their position and provide compliant shelters. The Royal Mail Board's final decision on this is awaited as mentioned above.

· What will happen to existing smoking rooms when they close ?

We have asked that consideration be given as to whether existing smoking rooms can be used for other social and welfare use following closure. The following has been confirmed by the Royal Mail Group Head of Health:

The Royal Mail Group Smoking Policy allows for local consultation between management and Union representatives for local matters (e.g. reallocation of use of smoking rooms)

· How will the new outside designated smoking areas be determined and decided upon ?


The following has been confirmed by the Royal Mail Group Head of Health:

Smoking will only be allowed in locally agreed and designated areas. Such areas will be agreed on between the site manager with appropriate expert input and the local CWU Union representatives.

Any queries relating to this LTB should be directed to the HS&E Department at CWU Headquarters.

There is also the has to be at least 4 meters away from doors and windows thing.

[dvbuk55]

Some poor and wankey answers,thought we were here to help each other.

There are situations when you need to stand up and help yourself postman.

[Natasha, Midlands]

Some poor and wankey answers,thought we were here to help each other.

When the ban came in,protocol was to sort out a designated area for the smokers,and Nat,have a word with the wankey manager,what is going on is not on.

To: All Branches with Postal Members

Regional Health and Safety Forums and Regional Secretaries

Dear Colleagues,

Smoking Rooms in Royal Mail Buildings, Smoking Shelters and Outside Designated Smoking Areas on Royal Mail Premises

Further to previous Letters to Branches and BOB Paragraphs on the new "Smokefree" legislation, this is to inform Branches and Area Safety Reps that the revised Royal Mail Group Smoking Policy is still to be finalised by the Royal Mail Board - a decision having been deferred by the board at it's meeting on 21 March.

All Smoking Rooms in Scotland closed in order to comply with legislation introduced on 29 March 2006 and smoking rooms in other RM group Buildings will be closed and be locked on 2 April in Wales, 30 April in Northern Ireland and finally on 1 July in England when the new legislation comes in to force in those parts of the UK along with Royal Mail Group's new Smoking Policy of which we await finalisation and publication.

Questions have been raised regarding the future use of former smoking rooms, existing smoking shelters and new outside designated smoking areas. The questions fall into 3 main areas:-

· Will Smoking Shelters be retained and modified to meet the new smokefree legislation ?

The Union has been pressing Royal Mail to provide Shelters which meet the new legislation by modifying and where necessary moving existing shelters. Royal Mail's present position to provide no new shelters and to close and decommission all existing Shelters which do not comply with the new legislation (which is probably all of them). The Union has made strong representations, asking them to reconsider their position and provide compliant shelters. The Royal Mail Board's final decision on this is awaited as mentioned above.

· What will happen to existing smoking rooms when they close ?

We have asked that consideration be given as to whether existing smoking rooms can be used for other social and welfare use following closure. The following has been confirmed by the Royal Mail Group Head of Health:

The Royal Mail Group Smoking Policy allows for local consultation between management and Union representatives for local matters (e.g. reallocation of use of smoking rooms)

· How will the new outside designated smoking areas be determined and decided upon ?


The following has been confirmed by the Royal Mail Group Head of Health:

Smoking will only be allowed in locally agreed and designated areas. Such areas will be agreed on between the site manager with appropriate expert input and the local CWU Union representatives.

Any queries relating to this LTB should be directed to the HS&E Department at CWU Headquarters.

There is also the has to be at least 4 meters away from doors and windows thing.

Thanks very much Postman much appreciated. Yes I thought this forum was to help each others out as the job is hard enough without smart guys taking the Michael it makes me wonder in away why Park & Loop don't work when people won't work together to help each other.

I was only asking for a bit of advice as I don't want to be the one causing a stink in the office but as I don''t smoke and can't stand fumes its not right to have to put up with it. I might ask for my frame to be moved due to the cold rather than make a fuss. Thanks again for the positive answers.

[Silly Sarah]

Unfortunately when you have an issue regarding smoking, the battle lines are quickly drawn depending whether you do or do not smoke. People have entrenched views on this. I think you had a valid complaint, but then I'm a non smoker. In a large company such as this you are going to come across many people with different attitudes and values. That includes some that are selfish, intolerant, unfriendly etc. Some are frankly just too thick to understand how to behave around others in a reasonable manner. Of course most aren't like this, but there are enough to make the job less pleasant for the rest.

[oldrope]

Smokers need to be 5mtrs from any door or window. Tell the Dom then, if dose not stop ring HELP 08006888777. You have the right to breath clean air any time.

[UnhappyGremlin]

It is a legal requirement to place designated smoking areas away from the building.
One for which RM could face penalties (fines) for failing to observe, may be worthwhile pointing this out.