Trolleys on delivery

[vigilante]

Trolleys should be used if they are meant to be used on a walk. If you get an injury on duty, chances are one of the 1st questions asked will be "was you using a trolley?" now if you wasn't using one when you're meant to be using one, the DOM or manager will just throw you to the wolves

Quite right they will.

[motch]

Trolleys should be used if they are meant to be used on a walk. If you get an injury on duty, chances are one of the 1st questions asked will be "was you using a trolley?" now if you wasn't using one when you're meant to be using one, the DOM or manager will just throw you to the wolves

Quite right they will.

had a bit of a discussion with a collegue today regarding trolleys and bags on shoulders. he seems to think if bags on shoulders are used rather than a trolley the DOM will be jointly responsible if there's an accident as they're not enforcing/checking if people are taking/using trolleys on delivery. i told him he's wrong but he didn't really agree with me.

[UnhappyGremlin]

Trolleys should be used if they are meant to be used on a walk. If you get an injury on duty, chances are one of the 1st questions asked will be "was you using a trolley?" now if you wasn't using one when you're meant to be using one, the DOM or manager will just throw you to the wolves

Quite right they will.

had a bit of a discussion with a collegue today regarding trolleys and bags on shoulders. he seems to think if bags on shoulders are used rather than a trolley the DOM will be jointly responsible if there's an accident as they're not enforcing/checking if people are taking/using trolleys on delivery. i told him he's wrong but he didn't really agree with me.

Tell him he's wrong. If he points the finger at his boss for not enforcing/checking, his boss will merely say that the staff have been told to use them, and that he has other work to do other than make sure every single member of staff is taking a trolley. End of. It can't be proven otherwise. And if, as has been suggested elsewhere on one of the threads, he is 'spied on', and seen to be doing this, he can be disciplined for it. Pathetic, but possible. When given a choice of accepting responsibility or passing the buck, a manager will pass the buck and keep themselves in the clear. We all know it.

[harrymortimer]

Have any studies or research been done on the risks/strains on the body of using a trolley versus carrying a reasonably weighted pouch? Very much doubt it, wouldn't suit Royal mails agenda, but I know my back hurts more after using a trolley.

[Hitcher]

And mine doesn't hurt at all anymore.

[Thunderthighs]

FEW of us haven't been trained on the "Jack Nicklaus" special trucks...haven't been shown the video, or had constructive/correct demo's of how they work.
BAGS for us. Union rep advises this until we get the correct training session.
Can't wait...not!

[Himaggen]

FEW of us haven't been trained on the "Jack Nicklaus" special trucks...haven't been shown the video, or had constructive/correct demo's of how they work.
BAGS for us. Union rep advises this until we get the correct training session.
Can't wait...not!

Your Union Rep needs to grow a pair!

Since the use of the delivery equipment is mandatory and the SSOW for that equipment necessitates that you are trained to use it, then your Union Rep should advise you not to perform any delivery.

[motch]

Trolleys should be used if they are meant to be used on a walk. If you get an injury on duty, chances are one of the 1st questions asked will be "was you using a trolley?" now if you wasn't using one when you're meant to be using one, the DOM or manager will just throw you to the wolves

Quite right they will.

had a bit of a discussion with a collegue today regarding trolleys and bags on shoulders. he seems to think if bags on shoulders are used rather than a trolley the DOM will be jointly responsible if there's an accident as they're not enforcing/checking if people are taking/using trolleys on delivery. i told him he's wrong but he didn't really agree with me.

Tell him he's wrong. If he points the finger at his boss for not enforcing/checking, his boss will merely say that the staff have been told to use them, and that he has other work to do other than make sure every single member of staff is taking a trolley. End of. It can't be proven otherwise. And if, as has been suggested elsewhere on one of the threads, he is 'spied on', and seen to be doing this, he can be disciplined for it. Pathetic, but possible. When given a choice of accepting responsibility or passing the buck, a manager will pass the buck and keep themselves in the clear. We all know it.

yeah I will mention it to him again, so if you have a fall and hurt yourself being off for a while what sort of comeback could you get from the firm?

[vigilante]

Trolleys should be used if they are meant to be used on a walk. If you get an injury on duty, chances are one of the 1st questions asked will be "was you using a trolley?" now if you wasn't using one when you're meant to be using one, the DOM or manager will just throw you to the wolves

Quite right they will.

had a bit of a discussion with a collegue today regarding trolleys and bags on shoulders. he seems to think if bags on shoulders are used rather than a trolley the DOM will be jointly responsible if there's an accident as they're not enforcing/checking if people are taking/using trolleys on delivery. i told him he's wrong but he didn't really agree with me.

The DOM will not be answerable because he would have delivered a WTLL to make sure everyone has signed to say they will be using the correct equipment for the delivery.
Covering his back and as a previous post says he will state he cannot keep an eye on everybody to ensure the correct use.

[Godric]

the mark 2 trolleys are the pits ..... they are heavier than the mark 1s, the front wheels act as a unintentional brake when you are walking at the desired pace .... the front wheels turning when parked which results in them falling onto the road then their is the problem with the rubber falling off the wheels ..... to say I am not a fan of the mark 2 hct is a understatement

[Thunderthighs]

VIGILANTE: Few of us haven't had the WTL demo, talk, "sign for this" training session. Always done on Tues AM, few of us don't start til after 10am or much later.
No provision to get us to catch up as far as I know yet.

[Postaltony]

I've been flying the flag for using trolleys on delivery. It's seems all managers will pay lip service by telling you to use trolleys. However they don't want you too as it takes too long on delivery.
If I have a loop at around 40 mins without a trolley, then with the trolley it can be at least another 10 mins extra per 40 mins loop depending on terrain and types of property. I have completed some so called 40 min loops and they have taken an hour with the trolley.
Interesting that in my office they was testing duties outdoor and they were taking over 5hrs to complete. Funny they are no longer willing to test the outdoor element.
Back to using the trolleys, many members are not using and therefore able to complete duties within time or earlier and nothing said. Even though job and finished is no more, again managers turn a blind eye.
Those that use trolleys are either a problem or accused of underperfoming.

I urge you all to use the trolley make the job physically easier and anything you can't complete the managers will have to cover. Use the rules to your advantage, as they would shaft you with the rules given the chance.

Remember the use of LWT's are mandatory and managers and cwu should be making sure this is enforced or what's the point of having a national agreement?

[adamanti]

Just gone live with revision at our office, had our lwt training Monday morning, first day of revision, obviously no time could be found for this in the 3 years prior. Anyway Dims hitman told us all that we could still use bags as long as they were not over 10KGs. Union rep stood next to him. Have the rules changed or is the the usual bollocks.

[mandelsons_toenail]

Use of delivery method once assigned is mandatory

Sack the rep

[S6 Stroller]

Have any studies or research been done on the risks/strains on the body of using a trolley versus carrying a reasonably weighted pouch? Very much doubt it, wouldn't suit Royal mails agenda, but I know my back hurts more after using a trolley.

I have a mate who is the head of H&S at a very large company. I asked him for an independent, unbiased viewpoint on this. He said a) A trolley is probably an excellent bit of kit to use on the occasions where the load you are carrying warrants it i.e a load that is beyond your own personal weight carrying threshold b) Prolonged use of the trolley continually i.e even when it is not really required, will eventually cause a whole heap of new conditions such as RSIs impacting wrists, shoulders etc and lower back pain brought on by twisting and finally, c) Trollies like this are designed to be pushed, not pulled. The reason we are being told they are primarily to be pulled is because a lot of the terrain we operate on makes pushing the trolley a hazard in itself i.e wheels jamming on kerbs etc. Who would design a trolley that is to be operated in such a way that it cannot be seen by the person using it?

This, however, is the key point. I asked him outright if continually using a trolley, whether the load warrants it or not, causes more H&S issues than it solves. His answer? Without a doubt. He says it's extraordinary that Royal Mail are doing this and he can see no point in it whatsoever. Making them mandatory for overweight loops, yes, he understands that, that's common sense BUT all the time? He reckons it's absolute madness and there must be some kind of agenda but he couldn't think for the life of him what the hell it could be. He did laugh a lot though. Said it was the funniest thing he'd heard in ages.