Moving the goalposts

[taurus88]

A few of the slow posties have never even touched parcels,We were made to do some of them.

These guys don't sound that slow to me.

Tee-hee - agreed.

I love the attitude from certain individuals that slowness (in terms of speed as opposed to dexterity of thought) makes an individual a (and I quote) "slow piss taking c*nt". We all work at different speeds. It sounds to me like the slower individuals have got exactly the right idea. Go at your own speed, whatever gets done gets done. Running around and trying to finish early is a moron's game. If you've got too much work and not enough time then great, that's the perfect situation to be in instead of racing against the clock. As a relative newcomer to Royal Mail, I have been able to get over a few of the old-fashioned ideas fairly quickly. The major one is the idea of time pressure. It's a concept I no longer take into account. There is no time pressure for me because the latest I am prepared to finish is 1.50pm - my finish time. If there's too much work then great, I have the luxury of not having to deal with that. The other major one is the idea that you are your own boss. This relates intimately to the idea of 'job and knock'. Royal Mail are slowly ironing out the extent to which you are personally micro-managing your work. Admittedly, they are doing it to their own detriment because their ideas to combat this are frankly ludicrous. But we, as the workforce, should embrace their stupid ideas and use their stupidity against them. They are not our friends and will happily throw you hither and thither and spin you along like a good old-fashioned marionette. If you give them your time for free, they'll take it back with interest - literally. If you run around and do the same amount of work twice as quickly, they'll make you run twice as far.

The best way to deal with it is to go at half the speed and do half the work, then go home. And forget about it. The job is sh*t, any sense of job security is dead in the water, and there's little to no point in taking personal affront to anything that happens to you. Play them at their own game until they shoot you in the back. If you're stupid enough to keep playing along then enjoy taking the licks that go with it. I see enough stupid people working for Royal Mail and I pride myself in being one of the not-so-stupid ones. Even more so because I'm not stupid enough to let on that I am anything more than stupid.

[dvbuk55]

A few of the slow posties have never even touched parcels,We were made to do some of them.

These guys don't sound that slow to me.

Meaning they don't play the banjo

And if you had considered a grievance then it would be against poor management, theghost, not against the postman.

[Theghost]

Go slow,Obvious to others in the office including the manager then when tested do the job properly? To which the manager then tells pisstakers that they can now take the parcels as the round has been tested and there is time for parcels,Only to go slow again and not take them?

Very clever that,Then a manager has them followed and is ultimatley trying to sack them for taking the piss,All very clever until they are seen crying they have no job.

Managers are testing jobs in our office right now,I dont run,Never have,Today we got a spurt on because it was easy and knew we could make time,Had we known we were going to be made to fill the time when we got back then we would have strolled.

The "Clever" Lads who are dragging their feet and bringing mail back now on jobs that can be done are a joke,Work ur hours,Do the job as you can do it,If u genuinley struggle then fair enough,We have some of those too,But for capable posties to refuse to work just because they dont like change then i wont applaude them,Just pity them,Have some self pride and do the job you are paid for,Great example they make for thier kids.

[DGP1]

Why are you getting so wound up by these people, you finished early and as such you were asked to take more work out to take you to your time, what anybody else does is none of your business really, just worry about yourself and your duty.

[hatetheboss]

Today was pathetically easy,We got out at 9.15 and both said lets whizz it off asap for an early dart,Rare since the changes.

We bombed the rounds,Knowing we could make good time due to the lack of mail.

We got back to the office at 12.30pm Finish time was 2.30pm knock off meal break turns it to 1.50pm so made 1 hour 20 mins.

We were 1st back,The boss said we were too early and had to go out and do some parcels as he couldn't be seen to let us go home so early? What the hell?

Penalised for being efficient,So now when we get a stupidly busy day and may go over 10-15 mins the mail will be brought back,No danger.

We said what are we supposed to do,Drag our feet? He replies "Yes" You cant get back too early,It really is unreal.

Looks like next tuesday we are off to a Cafe for an hour or so.

When you get caught in the cafe you won't have a job just like them

[Theghost]

Really,So you dont get a 40 min meal break? Shame that.

[hatetheboss]

I don't think you have read your own post it say's an hour or so, not 40 minutes

[taurus88]

Why are you getting so wound up by these people, you finished early and as such you were asked to take more work out to take you to your time, what anybody else does is none of your business really, just worry about yourself and your duty.

You're talking to a wall, I reckon. Some people just don't get it. It's very difficult indeed to sack somebody for being slow. It's not difficult to sack somebody for insubordination. Me, I'd rather be deliberately slow than deliberately fast. I'm happy for a manager to walk test me and tell me I'm not quick enough ... because that's what they'd tell me even if I was Usain Bolt. If they want to tell me that I'm unacceptably slow then good luck to them, that's opening up an entirely different can of worms. What are they going to sack me for, being physiologically incapable of being a postman?

[Theghost]

If we go for an hour and get questioned,Why cant we say we were in there for 40 mins?

Before you reply,This cafe is at an industrial park with pass needed to enter,So i dont think anyone could be sat spying,Not that i think they would on 2 lads who get the job done everyday,Plenty of others they will be checking on.

[clashcityrocker]

What are they going to sack me for, being physiologically incapable of being a postman?

Did you miss this thread?
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... t=culpable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Geezer]

A few of the slow posties have never even touched parcels,We were made to do some of them.

These guys don't sound that slow to me.

Tee-hee - agreed.

I love the attitude from certain individuals that slowness (in terms of speed as opposed to dexterity of thought) makes an individual a (and I quote) "slow piss taking c*nt". We all work at different speeds. It sounds to me like the slower individuals have got exactly the right idea. Go at your own speed, whatever gets done gets done. Running around and trying to finish early is a moron's game. If you've got too much work and not enough time then great, that's the perfect situation to be in instead of racing against the clock. As a relative newcomer to Royal Mail, I have been able to get over a few of the old-fashioned ideas fairly quickly. The major one is the idea of time pressure. It's a concept I no longer take into account. There is no time pressure for me because the latest I am prepared to finish is 1.50pm - my finish time. If there's too much work then great, I have the luxury of not having to deal with that. The other major one is the idea that you are your own boss. This relates intimately to the idea of 'job and knock'. Royal Mail are slowly ironing out the extent to which you are personally micro-managing your work. Admittedly, they are doing it to their own detriment because their ideas to combat this are frankly ludicrous. But we, as the workforce, should embrace their stupid ideas and use their stupidity against them. They are not our friends and will happily throw you hither and thither and spin you along like a good old-fashioned marionette. If you give them your time for free, they'll take it back with interest - literally. If you run around and do the same amount of work twice as quickly, they'll make you run twice as far.

The best way to deal with it is to go at half the speed and do half the work, then go home. And forget about it. The job is sh*t, any sense of job security is dead in the water, and there's little to no point in taking personal affront to anything that happens to you. Play them at their own game until they shoot you in the back. If you're stupid enough to keep playing along then enjoy taking the licks that go with it. I see enough stupid people working for Royal Mail and I pride myself in being one of the not-so-stupid ones. Even more so because I'm not stupid enough to let on that I am anything more than stupid.

Eloquently Put....

[fishtank]

At the end of the day ghost it isn't your place to say who is fast or slow or to call them piss-takers.
Your job is to do what you are told to do within reason inside your working hours.
Like a lot of people in this job you need to leave the managing to the managers.
I know they are crap at it but it's them that get paid for it not us.

[taurus88]

What are they going to sack me for, being physiologically incapable of being a postman?

Did you miss this thread?
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... t=culpable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which still goes to show that it's very difficult to discriminate against somebody on the grounds that they are useless - and it always has been. That's why so many idiots are in employment. Royal Mail could sack you for anything in theory but, as demonstrated in that thread (albeit in Australia) an employment tribunal isn't necessarily going to like them doing it. And that's why it's a lot easier to sack somebody for insubordination than uselessness. Personally, I'm getting closer and closer to the point where I could be sacked for either - and not care one jot about it.

[fishtank]

I have never seen or heard of anyone formally conducted on purely performance issues outside their initial 6 month trial period......never mind sacked.

Has anyone?

[BT2010]

I have never seen or heard of anyone formally conducted on purely performance issues outside their initial 6 month trial period......never mind sacked.

Has anyone?

"Just when you thought things could not get any worse Royal Mail have named Rob Jenson the National Delivery Director. Now things should liven up out there and for all those doubters he is a hawk."

dingo today.