fishtank wrote:C'mon dvb...you know it's really all our fault and when the half-assed,half completed revisions are implemented it will be our fault again when it goes tits up.....i guess our pairs are not fully grown.
You would have to be mad to go ahead with a revision with so much still to be agreed but that's what we have to do because nothing will be sanctioned by either party that delays the implementation of the agreement.
I could handle it if it wasn't for this constant "speak to your area/divi rep" garbage...what do they think we are doing?
I have spoken to 4 unit reps on this site and the have all quoted the phrase "don't rock the boat" as it was quoted to them by either their area rep or divi rep...it seems to be this years catchphrase.
I think I may have a better one though ft, whenever I hear that an agreement is the deal of the century, I'm going to call it a dingo.
I was rather hoping you would come out with you nothing is agreed until everything is agreed comment
Sorry BD.
Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. This is the deal of the century. Where would you be without this wonderful negotiating. Does my ego look big in this organisation.
clashcityrocker wrote:Surely the prep rates will differ slightly from office to office.
It will depend on the size and the layout of the office.
As I understand it the offices in Ayrshire who are using IWT have standards between 11 and 14 (from empty frame to bagged up)
absolute garbage ayrshire offices working to prep rate of 22.5 in rm 2000 frames
heres the way it works ips for as long as it takes usually from say 6-6.50
throw in pt road for 40 mins not to completion shouted back up to ips for 2nd wave
return to own frame for 40mins regardless of how many d2ds
shouted back on ips for missorts or unsorted from previos 2nd wave then hastled as to why your not ready same time as person who started 30 mins early sound about normal
they even tell us according to amount of trays on ips we should clearin certain amount of time
absolute crap
The tag team of fishtank and Dvbuk strike again. Wow fishtank has spoke to 4 unit reps and they all have said the same. Well there are appoxmately 16000 unit reps in Royal Mail offices , and to say these 4 set the mark is so bizare its crazy.
I have never said to any unit rep dont rock the boat if they have a geniune issue , I have at times had to say they were barking up the wrong tree or advise them they were not right. But if they have an issue which is correct then I will back them to the hilt. I know all the other divisonal reps and really I dont see them saying that , why would they ? Its in their intrests to get the revisons right.
In any case fishtank you know in Scotland by involvement they have already reduced what Royal Mail thought they were getting from the IWT by 50%.
Now the reason why the union is saying keep moving the revisons on is two fold the union has gained allowances in geo route and iwt which has meant version 6.25 of the IWT is now a lot better and that geo route is correct. Now the other reason is the two model weeks last years summer and the january period. If you leave your revision too long you may have this summers traffic period which as we all know is a lot lower than last year.
In addition if your doing the 6 phase revision correct you will agreement the aims and objectives in phase 1 including what percentage rise you will be looking for in the revision, so lets say your at 75 BSi on the IWT and you agree that in your first revision you will move to 85% then in phase 2 you ensure all the measurements in your office are correct and that all the redirection measurements are factual , and that the double slots are correct etc and maybe when you done that you Royal Mail have been understating your performance and say your now at 80BSI instead of 75% so therefore you only then have to make a 5% move in the first revison.
Its about boxing clever , waiting till everything agreed may mean your worse off as I doubt all the live testing will come out in our favour.
Look most of you seem to believe that everything needs to be agreed straight off and quickly. You have to remember Royal MAIL have had years working up the iwt , geo route and the other tools and the union has only since the agreement was endorsed had the opportunity to really challenge the tools and make changes and get Royal Mail to test in a live enviorment.
Dont underestimate that factor as every change and every involvement means that what they believed was going to be the levels of savings decreases as you are finding out in scotland.
It is 22PM,(there or there abouts)..BUT that is only with the work in front of you..nothing else.Now I know that..and you do.But what about the poor sodding rep left on his todd and the DSM including clear down time,rle time,van check time etc? This stuff has to be done manually with the "wheelie" thing. I would also suggest you increase your absorptions this summer,that way you account for the "recession drop".That way you can use this a s a model year.Lets not forget the D2D,or increase of them in September.
We need to change things at a higher level,judging by the LTB..sooner then later......Lets get our best two people per branch and "bounce " them per office to assist!
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The 1 min test for RM 2000 frames is 25 items sorted into the frame in a minute, you are not expected to maintain that throughout the entire prep period. Due to RM prep test covering thefull rangeof prep activties and not just the sorting letters into a frame part ,the figure is suppose to come down to around 11 or 12 items a minute.
I think some DOMS are incapable of understanding the above concept
Rightly or wrongly the independent bloke was allowed to put out a statement saying nothing is agreed untill everything is agreed, so surely the membership have a right to feel a little confused and upset that didnt happen as fully as it could have?
More care needs to be taken with what is allowed to be put out into the field, the DTD update from a few years ago I posted is classic case of things coming back to bite senior officers on the arse.
Rightly or wrongly the independent bloke was allowed to put out a statement saying nothing is agreed untill everything is agreed, so surely the membership have a right to feel a little confused and upset that didnt happen as fully as it could have?
More care needs to be taken with what is allowed to be put out into the field, the DTD update from a few years ago I posted is classic case of things coming back to bite senior officers on the arse.
You're flogging a dead horse BD. Dingo lives in wonderland where the union participation is 100%, Full Timers represent 99% of the workforce, and HQ is only a stones throw away populated with people who have made a name for themselves in the CWU............................. by boxing clever apparently should have left the fisticuffs alone and concentrated on negotiating perhaps
taxi4leighton wrote:yes as ive said before
if no one used their cars on delivery
RM would have to put hundreds of hours back into most offices
so most managers will try and muddle on without any revision
totally in defiance of the national agreement
But as you now up and down the county themselves postman will not stop using the cars
dingo wrote:In any case fishtank you know in Scotland by involvement they have already reduced what Royal Mail thought they were getting from the IWT by 50%
to back dingo up. we are building up good relationships up here (slowly mayb but getting there). we r a self starter office who b4 the agreement were going to have to lose 90 hours by ea. basically 2 f/t positions (local ind action was applied for btw). but using the iwt properly and making sure all the parameters were inputted correctly we are now required to lose only 12 this is in thanks partly to full involvement by local, area and div reps and the integration of the d2ds into workload. on THE IWT part of the agreement i have to admit the cwu has played a blinder and it is upto the members to make sure their reps r up to the job.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
Yeah nice to hear someone and some offices getting involved and making the best of agreement, rather than standing back moaning and complaining that EVERYTHING is sh*t then seriously tutting when RM do what they want becauuse of others faults, not THEIR apathy.
This ain't no baseball game, you get only one chance and you blew it.
Has the union agreed all the numbers to plug into iwt etc or are there still some unagreed? at one point they were still arguing over some of the measurements ta.
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goinpostal wrote:Has the union agreed all the numbers to plug into iwt etc or are there still some unagreed? at one point they were still arguing over some of the measurements ta.
Which ones are you struggling to reach agreement on?
should have left the fisticuffs alone and concentrated on negotiating perhaps 