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Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
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barkersboy
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
£400 on ratification of the deal. Does anyone know if this is pro-rata for part timers?
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
barkersboy wrote:£400 on ratification of the deal. Does anyone know if this is pro-rata for part timers?
Yes as are the various supplements and the £75 that MC members are going to get.
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Why look at the cash here. Far as i'm aware this is our money anyhow from the CS. Albeit we are getting it early.
Why take it now with strings attached and an agreement that isn't concluded, like prep rates, outdoor working tool, top 10%. What rate is everyone to work at?
Why take it now with strings attached and an agreement that isn't concluded, like prep rates, outdoor working tool, top 10%. What rate is everyone to work at?
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pedro1971
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Hi guys, i've been working for RM since January, and 2 months previously with manpower, am i right in thinking that i should have got some kind of lump sum bonus? I was on a 2 month fixed term contract, then another 2 months, its due to expire next week but i've to get another 3 month contract. I'm part-time, working 25 hrs a week.
Is it not in the agreement that its given to ALL employees?
I got heehaw.
Very very disappointed. :(
Is it not in the agreement that its given to ALL employees?
I got heehaw.
Very very disappointed. :(
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Postal1
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
The payment of £1,000 (pro rata for part time employees) consisting of 3 lump sums will be paid as follows.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period
Our rep has been told that none of the £1000 will be paid until all deployment has ben achieved including what he calls "reaching their efficiency lvls"?
Anyone like to comment?
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period
Our rep has been told that none of the £1000 will be paid until all deployment has ben achieved including what he calls "reaching their efficiency lvls"?
Anyone like to comment?
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postnottm
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
can anyone explain why the coleague share dividend payment that was not pro rata when it was introduces is now being paid pro rate? thanks
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
postnottm wrote:can anyone explain why the coleague share dividend payment that was not pro rata when it was introduces is now being paid pro rate? thanks
Colleagueshares have always been pro rata http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... es#p157790" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Our office went through a Pegasus/ Georoute revision end of last year. My opinion was we should therefore receive the first £200 (as quoted above). My DOM emailed his DSM who forwarded it on to an extremely senior London-based manager. He replied that, yes, we are entitled to the first £200.Postal1 wrote:The payment of £1,000 (pro rata for part time employees) consisting of 3 lump sums will be paid as follows.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period
Our rep has been told that none of the £1000 will be paid until all deployment has ben achieved including what he calls "reaching their efficiency lvls"?
Anyone like to comment?
No word on when we are getting it tho.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Putting the below in for reference as we're getting a lot of queries on it...
Annex C
Transformation Lump Sum Payments and Shorter Working Week
Delivery
Applicable to all Delivery Units including SPDO’s.
Lump Sums
The payment of £1,000 (pro rata for part time employees) consisting of 3 lump sums will be paid as follows.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of their first non walk sequencing revision.
£600 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit on deployment of the walk sequencing revision.
£200 will be paid to everyone in the delivery unit when the Walk Sequencing revision has been implemented, and objectives achieved in line with the local agreement and no later than the end of the 6 week bedding in period.
SPDOs
All SPDOs will receive the £600 and £200 payments in line with their parent delivery unit.
Shorter Working Week
To be implemented in all Delivery Units in line with the Walk Sequencing revision.
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edwardo
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Re: Agreement:Reward
i have 770 d2d lost early allowance losing £80 to £1OO per month 25 years service the worst deal ever , the union have been lying low ever since . I ward and hayes only need us for one thing our donations for there summerholiday and a wee drink oops sorry :rose wrote:My OH is p/t and delivers around 700 Door to Doors. Some of the posties in the office have only 200 ish, so why would he vote for a pay cut?
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POSTMAN
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Lump Sum Payments - Delivery
Delivery Lump Sum Trigger Points –Clarification
Following a number of enquiries recently regarding what type of revision triggers the lump sum payments in Delivery Offices we have issued this LTB to hopefully make the position absolutely clear. The words agreed as part of the BT 2010 and Beyond National Agreement are attached for ease of reference.
Most problems appear to be around what triggers the £600 + £200 payments. This should be clear – it is a walk sequencing revision. This is primarily where the office is in receipt of or due to receive sequenced mail and where necessary indoor hours have been realigned to match workload which could mean a change in start and finish times, normally due to a change in arrival patterns as a consequence of mail being sequenced.
In some areas Royal Mail has decided to link the walk sequencing revision with a Delivery Methods revision and called it an integrated or bundled revision and have stated that the lump sum payments are incumbent on this type of revision being deployed. This is completely at odds with the national agreement as there is no requirement whatsoever in the national agreement for the two types of revision to be linked. This does not mean that we are opposed to this approach but it has no bearing on the payments of the £600 + £200 lump sum payments. All that is required to trigger those payments is a walk sequencing revision as described above. Branches and Representatives should also remember that it is the walk sequencing revision that introduces the SWW.
The same principle as above applies to those units who are not included in the walk sequencing deployment programme and are therefore not due to receive sequenced mail. In this instance it is a Delivery Methods revision that triggers the £600 + £200 payments and the SWW.
Lump sums and the SWW triggers for SPDOs are covered off with their own specific words.
The £200 lump sum payment is made for the first revision that is not a walk sequencing revision for units due to receive sequenced mail and is not a Delivery Methods revision for those not due to receive sequenced mail. This revision can take place before or after those revisions but it will be the first revision of this type.
Branches and Representatives should also note that a Delivery Methods revision ceases the use of private cars on delivery on the day of deployment.
Trigger Points for Phased Walk Sequencing Revisions in Delivery
Royal Mail accepted a solution proposed by the Union, whereby if a walk sequencing revision is introduced in phases, following the agreement of the complete revision, a full office re-sign and where leavers across the office have signed up to go, the first payment of £600 will be made to everyone staying in the unit when the first stage of the revision is deployed. In these phased revisions the process of bedding in and joint review against the objectives will take place throughout the phasing rather than after the event and in these units the payment of the final £200 will be made immediately following the implementation of the final phase. There has been no discussion with the Union at national level regarding the phasing of non sequencing revisions and how the trigger points would apply. However we would expect the £200 to be paid on deployment of this first phase. It should also be noted that phasing should be agreed locally, it is not a mandatory requirement and can be disagreed in line with the IR Framework.
Lump Sum Payments
Finally we are aware that there has been a delay in the payment of lump sums in some areas which thus far we have managed to deal with on a unit by unit basis. In some cases the delay has been quite considerable, up to 4 months after deployment, which is completely unacceptable. Branches and Representatives should be aware that Royal Mail accept that the longest delay should be no more than 3 weeks from deployment which is due to administration reasons. Following a discussion at the recent NDG Royal Mail were informed that we would issue guidance on this point in the following terms. Local revision agreements should be signed off and include a statement confirming the type of revision, the amount of money to be paid, and the date the payment will be made. The concurrence form for the payments to be made should then be signed by the Manager and CWU Representative and a copy retained of this and the final signed agreement. If the payments have not been made within 3 weeks this should be flagged up to the Divisional Representatives without delay so that they can make representation at Regional level. Any problems thereafter should be raised with the Outdoor Dept. Royal Mail did not object to this.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson’s Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org
Yours sincerely
Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary
Delivery Lump Sum Trigger Points –Clarification
Following a number of enquiries recently regarding what type of revision triggers the lump sum payments in Delivery Offices we have issued this LTB to hopefully make the position absolutely clear. The words agreed as part of the BT 2010 and Beyond National Agreement are attached for ease of reference.
Most problems appear to be around what triggers the £600 + £200 payments. This should be clear – it is a walk sequencing revision. This is primarily where the office is in receipt of or due to receive sequenced mail and where necessary indoor hours have been realigned to match workload which could mean a change in start and finish times, normally due to a change in arrival patterns as a consequence of mail being sequenced.
In some areas Royal Mail has decided to link the walk sequencing revision with a Delivery Methods revision and called it an integrated or bundled revision and have stated that the lump sum payments are incumbent on this type of revision being deployed. This is completely at odds with the national agreement as there is no requirement whatsoever in the national agreement for the two types of revision to be linked. This does not mean that we are opposed to this approach but it has no bearing on the payments of the £600 + £200 lump sum payments. All that is required to trigger those payments is a walk sequencing revision as described above. Branches and Representatives should also remember that it is the walk sequencing revision that introduces the SWW.
The same principle as above applies to those units who are not included in the walk sequencing deployment programme and are therefore not due to receive sequenced mail. In this instance it is a Delivery Methods revision that triggers the £600 + £200 payments and the SWW.
Lump sums and the SWW triggers for SPDOs are covered off with their own specific words.
The £200 lump sum payment is made for the first revision that is not a walk sequencing revision for units due to receive sequenced mail and is not a Delivery Methods revision for those not due to receive sequenced mail. This revision can take place before or after those revisions but it will be the first revision of this type.
Branches and Representatives should also note that a Delivery Methods revision ceases the use of private cars on delivery on the day of deployment.
Trigger Points for Phased Walk Sequencing Revisions in Delivery
Royal Mail accepted a solution proposed by the Union, whereby if a walk sequencing revision is introduced in phases, following the agreement of the complete revision, a full office re-sign and where leavers across the office have signed up to go, the first payment of £600 will be made to everyone staying in the unit when the first stage of the revision is deployed. In these phased revisions the process of bedding in and joint review against the objectives will take place throughout the phasing rather than after the event and in these units the payment of the final £200 will be made immediately following the implementation of the final phase. There has been no discussion with the Union at national level regarding the phasing of non sequencing revisions and how the trigger points would apply. However we would expect the £200 to be paid on deployment of this first phase. It should also be noted that phasing should be agreed locally, it is not a mandatory requirement and can be disagreed in line with the IR Framework.
Lump Sum Payments
Finally we are aware that there has been a delay in the payment of lump sums in some areas which thus far we have managed to deal with on a unit by unit basis. In some cases the delay has been quite considerable, up to 4 months after deployment, which is completely unacceptable. Branches and Representatives should be aware that Royal Mail accept that the longest delay should be no more than 3 weeks from deployment which is due to administration reasons. Following a discussion at the recent NDG Royal Mail were informed that we would issue guidance on this point in the following terms. Local revision agreements should be signed off and include a statement confirming the type of revision, the amount of money to be paid, and the date the payment will be made. The concurrence form for the payments to be made should then be signed by the Manager and CWU Representative and a copy retained of this and the final signed agreement. If the payments have not been made within 3 weeks this should be flagged up to the Divisional Representatives without delay so that they can make representation at Regional level. Any problems thereafter should be raised with the Outdoor Dept. Royal Mail did not object to this.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson’s Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org
Yours sincerely
Bob Gibson
CWU Assistant Secretary
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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madmax2545
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Re: Agreement:Reward
we thought that if you were over 50 years of age when the new agreement started you did not lose your early shift allowance, is that correct? we also thought that the early shift payment was a lifetime guarantee for the over 50s?TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Nopostghost wrote:So am I right in saying p/t staff on 25 hours will now work 24 due to the following statement?:
the overall weekly working hours for the grades covered by this agreement will be reduced by one hour per week
within the SWW paragraph (1/2 way through the 1st post in the thread" saysPart-time employees will benefit through an increased hourly rate.
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
The ESA 1 and ESA2 payments were protected under the P&M07 agreement but the catch, which most missed including me, was that the were only protected until we had Pay Simplification - Apparently BT2010 which introduced various functional supplements was a pay simplification and so everyone who used to get ESA1 and ESA2 (subsequently Pay Protection 2007) lost it.
BTW I am neither defending or attacking the agreement merely stating the position as described on here by senior union officials.
BTW I am neither defending or attacking the agreement merely stating the position as described on here by senior union officials.
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Big Daz
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
Dont forget new entrants since pay and mod who did not get ESA so therefore were less affected if affected at all by the loss of DTD payments and the introduction of a 52 week supplement and a 2% increase in basic pay.
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dvbuk55
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Re: Agreement:Reward:From the agreement pages 58-63
And those who served their time ended up with a pay cut...............lets not forget themBig Daz wrote:Dont forget new entrants since pay and mod who did not get ESA so therefore were less affected if affected at all by the loss of DTD payments and the introduction of a 52 week supplement and a 2% increase in basic pay.